Originally posted by Konoyaro
reply to post by ottobot
I agree with much you say, I've struggled with many of the things you point out or still do I should say.
What is causing the struggle? Are you struggling because you are getting information from other people that makes you feel bad, or are you struggling
because this issue is something that genuinely bothers you?
I don't believe that some have to eat meat though, you just have to get same nutrients you get from meat. The body doesn't really care for the source
of the nutrients except in the sense of how difficult it is to extract, in the form of digestion.
Well, what I meant is that each body is different than the next and so each person needs a different set of nutrients than the next. Indeed, some
people can survive well without eating animal products. However, this doesn't mean that all
people could so exist for the entire course of
I will use myself as an example: I was raised and currently live as an omnivore, with preferences for fish and poultry. Sometimes, I get into modes
where just the idea of eating meat repulses me. My body starts to crave copious amounts of vegetable matter, and that is all I want to eat. I have
existed successfully as a vegetarian for varied lengths of time. My (female) body is muscular and strong, made for hard work and bearing children. I
have a very fast metabolism and so must eat balanced (protein + plant matter) every couple of hours to avoid discomfort in the form of fatigue and
When I enter a "vegetarian" phase, I must eat almost constantly to keep up with my body's demands for fuel. Eventually, I become weak and lethargic
and start to suffer from various maladies that my body has become more susceptible to as my immune system has weakened. Essentially, I cannot get
enough energy from eating only plant matter and foraged animal matter (eggs & milk) in the time I am awake, so my body starts cannibalizing. When I
eat as an omnivore (essentially, a paleolithic diet), my nut/fruit snacks every couple of hours are fine because I eat a large meal including some
type of meat at the end of the day that my body uses as fuel for much of the next day.
My body does not work well without animal matter.
I have known people who exist fine as vegetarians, because their bodies do not consume/need as much energy as my own. I have never met a truly healthy
vegan, though. They are generally "skinny fat", which means their muscle has been cannibalized and the majority of their body weight is hydrated fat.
This is most likely because the "vegan ideal" of the west has most people relying upon processed foods for most of their sustenance.
The trauma to the earth caused by these processing factories is significant, yet largely ignored for the sake of political correctness.
The reason for not eating certain animals seem to stem from sharing a certain bond of understanding with the animal, like we in the west don't eat
dogs as we see them as friends. So I wonder what really goes on in a cows head when they observe...
The cow doesn't really understand what is
going on. They become afraid because their instincts tell them a predator is nearby. They have this instinct because they are, quite literally,
Mostly I'm disgusted with the meat industry. If I actually had to make the kill myself I think I would have a lot more appreciation for the animal
which literally transfers his life force into me, then it seems at least a bit more justified.
No argument there. I plan to be a small farmer; I do not like depending on other humans for my sustenance. I have always been one who thanks plants
and animals for their lives when I consume them. It is just my nature.
I'm struggling a bit with the part of growing space for vegetables if everyone, hypothetically, were vegetarians. Would it be possible with modern
technology or have already been to irresponsible and overcrowded the planet in that sense?
There is plenty of space left on the planet.
Humans, though, try to claim it as their own and only help others when a profit can be made. As with all things in the western society, money is the
driving force behind the diet of the majority.
Or is it because we don't want to assume the responsibility? Maybe it's not that we are superior in any way that makes us believe that but we just
have the choice if we want to be nice.
We have assumed responsibility since the agrarian society became the norm. There are still plenty of
humans who live from and give to the earth.
It's only as a result of the corporate-run food industry that we see these gross exhibitions of unnatural behaviors and gratuitous dietary
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