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its cool to make ethical choices about what you eat, be it organic, anti factory farm, or vegetarian or whatever, but the judging and evangelising aint cool.
The pendulum swung back in the 20th century, to the point that now-famous primatologist Jane Goodall was originally mocked for thinking chimpanzees, humankind’s closest relative, had human-like feelings.
We now know that chimps do have such feelings, not to mention tools, another formerly human-singular capacity also seen in dolphins, elephants and even fish. Indeed, the last decade of animal behavior research seems like a parade of findings that animals are quite complicated beings. Even honeybees seem to have emotions.
A theory of mind, however, is generally still considered uniquely human. Experiments have suggested its existence in great apes, but these remain open to alternative interpretations. That birds might have a theory of mind is a remarkable claim.
At the same time, though, Clayton cautioned against assuming animals to be unintelligent. There’s an inevitable gap between what’s known and what’s been demonstrated experimentally. “Who knows? It’s not being tested,” she said. “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
The ultimate importance of the work, Clayton said, is the richness it implies for the world around us. She referred to corvids as “the ape in your backyard.” Evolutionary anthropologist Brian Hare of Duke University echoed her words.
“This is another piece of evidence in support of the idea that corvid cognition converges with that of the great apes,” said Hare. “Just like fish, dolphins and penguins all evolved flippers independently to deal with ocean living, it seems corvids have evolved intelligence that rivals that of our own ape family.”
Originally posted by MrConspiracy
reply to post by gosseyn
I understand there are many awful ways animals are killed to be eaten.
But im afraid that's life. Animals kill animals to eat them.
It's nice to see you're from under that rock! Some crazy things in this world! Be ready to be shocked.
Sapience is a curse.
This is the human conundrum Overcoming that animal within, exhibiting self control, the ability to overcome natural behavior and act with purpose.
It is the basis of morality, ethics, and in many cases law. To seek to be that which we are not, separating ourselves to a position above nature.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by gosseyn
The most dangerous animal in the woods are humans.
Even the animals fear us.
Originally posted by gosseyn
Did you know that human beings actually KILL other animals to EAT them ? Don't you find that disgusting ? They even have built factories to INDUSTRIALISE the process of killing the other sentient animals and chop them in small portions that they pack in plastic. WOW. At first I didn't want to believe it but I have seen the proofs. It's 100% true. They eat dead corpses of animals that are made of exactly the same stuff as them, and almost every human being find that this is totally normal. They even encourage their own LITTLE CHILDREN to eat dead corpses of other sentient beings, imagine that... I mean, what do they have in mind ?? Can't they just think for one second ? I am truly out of words..
The loathing for meat comes from the lack of humanity that goes into obtaining it; we're talking about sentient beings being massacred so some fat f*** can stuff his or her belly with KFC. Hunting game is drastically different from maiming, raping, and killing an animal in captivity. The cruelty that comes from the meat industry is what turned me off from it; humans committing inhumane acts.
Originally posted by grey580
I see what you did there.
cool story bro.
I would say that post was trolling at it's finest.
15 pages of discussion for an obvious post is obvious.
I DO firmly believe there is OTHER sentient life on this planet and one of them is being massacred by Japanese fleets to peddle meat on the street markets back in Tokyo. I just don't bestow such a thing upon all life when evidence simply doesn't support anything of the sort.