Vets: YOU Are The Ones That Have The Most To Fear

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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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I would say we are in the hot seat for sure.

Vets are not "stamped out" with rambo skills as I am sure you know. I know a vast majority of vets couldn't survive a day in the woods, they just aren't trained for it. The military (all branches) have a wide variety of skill sets. Grunts would have the least to fear and night club managers would have the most to fear (yes that is an actual job in the military). Simply because they are vets they will ALL be targets.

Some vets have the training and skills to be a "thorn in the side" of anyone in power. I wouldn't say they have the most to fear, but I would say they have the most to lose.




posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 10:24 AM
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Hey, Dawg.



Originally posted by TDawgRex
www.washingtontimes.com...


What is it you find disturbing? That vets are mentioned in the list?

Civilians are also supposedly a "terrorist risk". Veterans shouldn't be singled out as NOT a risk. Especially when they've been living overseas and could have come into contact with a subversive group... With all the fear-mongering about terrorists and who should possibly be considered as a risk, I don't think veterans should be exempt, as a group. (Then again, I don't think ANY group should be targeted or exempt).



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
www.investingchannel.com... A


Well, well, well! Homeland security wants unarmed Americans to defend themselves against gunmen with scissors!

Well I wonder how Vets will feel about being told to use them as well, against home invaders armed with fire power?

Maybe you should use knitting needles too!
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ROFLMFAO! When I read that, the first thing that came to mind was my second grade teacher telling us NOT to run with scissors!

What's a guy to do? Yer damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't!

I do think it's irresponsible of DHS to recommend running with scissors, though, and I sure as hell wouldn't WALK up to a blazing gunman an say " 'scuse me - do you mind if I cut you now?"



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Has this not proven true with their failure to provide you with reasonable medical care, after you spilled your blood only to line their pockets with gold? Their greed has always been present, in the lack of supplies. If it costs too much, your life is not worth it. Your life was NEVER worth it. Not to them.



Please don't believe everything you read, I just returned from a VAMC, 20 minutes from my home. Called this morning for an appointment, and was told that since I had not used my benefits in three years, I would have to be seen through the ER. No Problem, head down there, show them my card, was diagnosed, given a prescription, and was on my way. Total time elasped, from home to home, about 2 hours. This is not a small VAMC, it is a large and very busy facility, that is also very well run.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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"Vets: YOU Are The Ones That Have The Most To Fear"
-Government


(Very quietly)
"Government, YOU Are The Ones That Have The Most To Fear"
-Vets



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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First they train us...then, we become the enemy?
That's a pretty big army TPTB are gonna have to face.
13Bravo Field Artillery in the HOUUUUUUSE!
Let FREEDOM RING!!!!



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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One of the biggest mistakes that those who have never served make, is that they assume that every veteran of our military is a brain washed, ate up, gung ho, brainless individual. That is simply not the case. I taught in a DOD school, and worked with Army, Air Force, and Marines, as well as Guard and Reserve, and students from 37 different countries. Most that haven't been there would be surprised to find that they are first and foremost, professionals in their assigned tasks. Some of you guys are buying too much into the Rambo crap, try visiting a VFW or American Legion event, or a Veterans Day event, I think you will come away with an entirely different picture.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by theillusion
First they train us...then, we become the enemy?
That's a pretty big army TPTB are gonna have to face.
13Bravo Field Artillery in the HOUUUUUUSE!
Let FREEDOM RING!!!!



13 Echo cannon fire direction control specialist right here bro.......Fire Mission! Range 5379 Deflection 2463 quadrant 447 round Willey Pete (white phosphorus) fuse PD charge 5 green bag at my command......stand by.......FIRE!!!!!

Always remember that artillery men do it with a bigger bang, and the gun line gets laid every single morning in the field. What a bunch of lucky little bunnies you guys are


They have as much chance against all us vets as my dog has against a meteor impact, absolutely none.
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posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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It's funny when you get back from overseas.. They almost push you into declaring on the forms you suffered some kind of mental or physical trauma.

Back from my first tour they even had a tape recorder in one of my "sessions"... I thought they protested to much, were being pushy and being awfully concerned about my H&W. Creepy.

Don't know if any other vets seen or had that happen.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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DHS has painted everybody as a possible terrorist.

Are you a Vet? = Possible terrorist.
Are you or have been a member of the Boy Scoyts or Girl Scouts? = Possible Paramilitary threat.
Are you a a member of a Church? = Possible extremist.
Do you buy two weeks or more of food? = Survivalist/Hoarder

And if they can't label you, then you are a possible Lone Wolf type of extremist.

We are all on the list as possibles. But it does make sense that if they were to target a specific group of people that may stand up to them, it would be Vets and LEOs first.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by murphy22
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It's funny when you get back from overseas.. They almost push you into declaring on the forms you suffered some kind of mental or physical trauma.

Back from my first tour they even had a tape recorder in one of my "sessions"... I thought they protested to much, were being pushy and being awfully concerned about my H&W. Creepy.

Don't know if any other vets seen or had that happen.


Yep, everyone returning from deployment goes thru that these days. Heck, we had to go through a Psych eval after Desert Storm. I used to mess with the Shrinks a lot.
Not anymore as it is akin to telling airport security that you have a bomb. No sense of humor.

Upon retirement even the VA pushed for me to declare PTSD. I refused as I don't have PTSD, I give it!
Putting up with TDawgs &#!t Daily.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by theillusion
First they train us...then, we become the enemy?
That's a pretty big army TPTB are gonna have to face.
13Bravo Field Artillery in the HOUUUUUUSE!
Let FREEDOM RING!!!!



13 Echo cannon fire direction control specialist right here bro.......Fire Mission! Range 5379 Deflection 2463 quadrant 447 round Willey Pete (white phosphorus) fuse PD charge 5 green bag at my command......stand by.......FIRE!!!!!

Always remember that artillery men do it with a bigger bang, and the gun line gets laid every single morning in the field. What a bunch of lucky little bunnies you guys are


They have as much chance against all us vets as my dog has against a meteor impact, absolutely none.
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Ha! Good stuff!

How about all us former Navy guys who know a thing or two about ordinance? I was a STG (Sonar technician, aka Second-to-god!) I know all the inner workings of MK 46 Torpedoes, not that that could help me out much. I got the Expert Rifle and Expert pistol ribbons. I know a good deal about strategy as well.

People don't realize that Vets come in all shapes and sizes, specialty wise. I'd hate to be on the opposing side of whoever is fighting all the vets, that's for sure.



posted on Feb, 4 2013 @ 09:40 PM
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Interesting article I came across on RT
(Russian Times)rt.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Rt Article on Alabama Standoff

This article shows the spin of American Main Stream Media.

It tells the story of a Truck Driver killed in Alabama after a hostage stand off- no mention of being a Vet or Anti Gov
Yet all American media made this an issue, even though his service was long ago and short lived. There is an agenda here and something to this thread.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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Good point and this could be the reason for the sudden crack down on assault/tactical riffles - unarm general "zealots" or true Americans such as Chris Kyle? An veteran Navy Seal sniper killed by a Marine susposedly for what? Who knows? Sounds like the OP hit the bullseye.

If you believe that a sniper would be hard press to be "easily" vulnerable around a former marine vet? MKUltra episode? Makes one wonder. I would think veteran special forces would be TOPs of a secret society's hit list!

I am married to one. He is british spec forces. He believes what the OP has said, long before random shootings and the Chris Kyle murder.

We reside now in a gated community apartment sitting on center of the main entrance - we picked it just for the view.
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posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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Can you point to some kind of documentation that we are being labeled as terrorists? I am not questioning the post, I just haven't seen this information out there.

Thanks.

Edit: Are you talking about this DHS document?
DHS Doc

Where it states the following:

(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities.

I don't see them painting vets as domestic terrorists... it is stating we would make great targets for recruitment to these groups because of their military training... that is common sense - we are training to kill and trained to destroy. If there is something else I am missing, please inform me but as a vet myself I don't see anyone demonizing vets in this document - they are stating that we would be attractive to extremist groups based on their training... this is a no brainer!

Doesn't say anything negative about the returning vets or paint us as terrorists in any way.



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posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by DoubleDNH
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Can you point to some kind of documentation that we are being labeled as terrorists? I am not questioning the post, I just haven't seen this information out there.

Thanks.


It was a couple years back, DHS and that skag Janet Napolitano put forth documents stating returning Vets are threats.

I will look for it. Hopefully someone will beat me to it, as I am slammed with other stuff today.



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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You're making me misty


Good times, good times......



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 04:57 PM
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One thing to add, but I am not sure if this is part of the deal or not.

The more time I spend overseas, the more I can see through the BS in the press, the politicians, etc. I speak out about it too.

I still love my country and what it represents but I can never subscribe to blindly accept every piece of nonsense shoved down my throat. It's also way easier to see the incrementalism with which freedoms get eroded.

Matter of fact, it gets me more upset when I see it now than before I joined. I guess the kool-aid tasted pretty good up till then.

It should be noted, just because you serve in the military, it does not immediately make you a pawn of nefarious forces. Matter of fact, I would argue Americans at large are just as liable as they are the ones who should be holding their representatives accountable but aren't. The military makes up less than 1% of Americans. Where are the other 99% who need to be watching my back while I am away?



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Ok...So in the interest of support, could people stop calling us Nazis, mindless zombies, and all other manner of BS?

Why is it that servicemembers are derided as evil and inhuman one day on ATS and the next we are necessary and suddenly we have all these people looking to stand behind us. I know we're good at being human shields, that's our job. But if you're going to stand behind us instead of beside us could we at least not belittle and insult the shield you stand behind? Because, at the end of the day, we are also the sword you wield.
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ok, how about this...you can stand behind me..

You've earned the break..



posted on Feb, 5 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This doesn't make sense. If they were going to target vets, why would they let vets keep their military style assault weapons?

I think this is paranoia taken to an extreme. And vets aren't some mindless bunch of unthinking morons. They don't think with one mind, just as any other group. People have different opinions on these things, regardless whether they were in the military or not.


they're starting to disarm them already...i've read reports of vets being involuntarily institutionalized, released, and then denied access to firearms. it's a massive scam...

this is not paranoia taken to an extreme...this is the writing on the wall being highlighted, for all to see...unfortunately, it seems the rose tint through which you see the world around you has kept from seeing all but the most important things...

stay oblivious, my friend....they'll get you too, eventually..





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