posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 07:59 AM
Originally posted by crankySamurai
I'm sorry but you have to be crazy if you think fascism can claim this. Market socialism could claim this if it is not forced on anybody but arises
voluntarily once freedom is established. Anarchism is the ultimate free society where no aggressive force is accepted as moral and a free market would
thrive under this environment.
Actually fascism can claim this as can others systems which include a market model on the economic side.
Look man there are two different poles that an economy can lean towards. One is called command economy where all freedom is outlawed and all
economic choices are made centrally and enforced aggressively. The other is the absolute free market where all coercive force is illegal and only
voluntary action takes place. Every economic system is on that spectrum somewhere between total force and total freedom. The idea is to understand
this and push in the direction of the abolition of aggressive force as morally acceptable. There are however different variations and mixes between
these two polarities. Just because there are aspects of the free market that exist does not mean that capitalism is the system in place. Both of those
opposite poles are nearly impossible to come to in reality so there will always be some mixture. The point is to move as close as you can to the total
freedom pole and your pushing the wrong direction.
The problem I see is that everything left of absolute free markets but right of the center, is still claimed to be leftist by proponents of
capitalism. This is dishonest. As is the idea that only under absolute free markets can someone accumulate wealth.
You said it plainly in this reply, "in reality there will always be a mixture" and I happen to agree, which is why I have stated, as I often do,
that a free market has never existed on a national level anywhere.
The actual point I was making was that even in the most controlled system there is always individual trade and more often than not a free/black
market. So in some way, there is always capitalism.
By the way, I don't push in any particular direction. I believe the wealthy will use whatever movement is popular with the masses at any given time
and place to stay on top.