Originally posted by nOraKat

Originally posted by NonchalantUnder Agenda 21 all central government and local authority signatories are required to conform strictly to a common prescribed standard and hence this is just communism resurrected in a new guise.

Wow, you guys are confusing - so the globalist secret government wants to resurrect communism? I thought they were fighting for capitalism..

So I think the big question is whether Agenda 21 genuinely has good intentions or is being used as a tool to result in the detriment of our society. I am not sure how things like environmental concerns can be used as a tool for a globalist agenda.

I am not sure if I am even opposed to a globalist agenda. It depends on how it will be run. If it is run well for the well being of our Earth and it's beings, then I am not against it.

Yeah they can smell a rat but they can't label it properly. In the USA we have been conditioned through the decades to abhor any form of communism or socialism. Millions have died in vain with manufactered propaganda.

I do not support communism but I do support socialism, something like facism. The "only problem" but an unbelievably big one, is that extremely wealthy and also wicked individuals have infiltrated the UN and other national and international organisations. They are serpent worshipers aka satanists.

You on the otherhand dish everyone who believes any conspiracy theory and are gullible enough to think these organisations are pure, honest and good-intentioned. They are not!

I don't want to come across as a jerk either. I'm sorry for anything negative I implied earlier.

I do think though that over population is a problem. And I think reducing the world's population is something that could be achieved over several generations. And I don't mean some drastic 75% reduction at all. Maybe stagnant population growth would be a better term for me to use than population reduction.

It's a proven fact that the more education women have, the fewer children the have. I'd like to see the "underdeveloped world" better educated. Also, there is the option of making birth control more readily available to people. In fact, I read an article on yahoo the other day about a male birth control shot that makes sperm immobile and lasts for like 6 months or something. I think if people had options then they may choose to have fewer children. Maybe even special tax breaks for people who choose to have only one child, or even two, because two would result in 0 net population growth.

I don't like or support any idea similar to China's One Child policy. Or anything involving genocide or any population control forced on anyone. I just think it's something that could be accomplished voluntarily if approached properly.

I know I said I was done, but I thought I should restate my position more rationally without the curtness. If we disagree, that's cool.

edit on 7-2-2013 by chrome413 because: i have no idea why my reply is all in the quote thing. still trying to figure out ats.

In a perfect situation what you are proposing is an acceptable alternative to what we have now (tax breaks, increased birth control availability, and education). My resistance to the idea comes from the fact that I would not trust the people in charge to be reasonable with implementation of any population control policy. Something like this could be too easily abused in my opinion.

Education is the best alternative I think, people should learn that one does not need to have 15 children to ensure the bloodline anymore, and having more than 4 is very detrimental to the environment when multiple people decide to have lots of children. I am against anything that is forced or permanent. Theoretically worst case scenario in the event of a world disaster, we may at some point wish to be able to procreate to higher levels and if that is taken away we would in effect be causing our own extinction as a species.

I just don't trust the people in charge to hold my jockstrap let alone regulate who is and isn't worthy of having children. Too many people of financial means already consider themselves superior to those of financial hardship, and I would not them anywhere near any worldwide population control policy.

Originally posted by Sly1one

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this one is a vague way of introducing GMO crops as the new and only "sustainable" crops for the future...again another power grab that will require, license, taxes, registrations, laws and tickets...making the industry ONLY affordable and profitable to the government or those in bed with them...we have already seen how the government regulations have made agriculture/farming increasingly impractical for the average person...

already happening. One member here mentioned the are moving the farming to QLD... thats true but above and beyond that they are geo-engineering the region here to have many months of drought followed by huge floods each january... essentially killing off massive amounts of crops up here too... just wait and see they will start pushing more and more GMO which is designed to grow faster and bigger and the farmers, in their desperation, will lap it up having no other alternative

what is she talking about? it sounds like nonsensical jibber jabber :S

could someone summarise her speech?
Ive listened to it, but it seems i dont grasp the big deal.

i didnt understand at all her feelings towards what she said... she starting crying at one point and i had to rewind over and over, and didnt get it.


so.. whats the big deal here?


edit: and the part about depopulation, whats wrong with that? we are way to many people.
my idea would be to eradicate africa (what is already going on) and use that country for something commercial.
food or what have you.
i mean whats the point of having sex, born a baby, then let it starve to death? lol. so stupid africans.
the fact that they are black has nothing to do with it, so if your thinking this is racism you are wrong

Originally posted by alienDNA
edit: and the part about depopulation, whats wrong with that? we are way to many people.
my idea would be to eradicate africa (what is already going on) and use that country for something commercial.
food or what have you.
i mean whats the point of having sex, born a baby, then let it starve to death? lol. so stupid africans.
the fact that they are black has nothing to do with it, so if your thinking this is racism you are wrong

You, sir, are what is wrong with this world. It's the greed and arrogance of people like yourself, who think they can just take over other countries at their own whim, annihilating the people who live there and forcing them into poverty by sucking the life out of the place....all in the name of making money....

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am at what you posted.

Originally posted by alienDNA

my idea would be to eradicate africa (what is already going on) and use that country for something commercial.
food or what have you.

I think that's the problem with Africa. Nothing grows there. If they could grow food then they wouldn't be in the same predicament they are.

And I do agree about not making babies if you can't feed them. But we all know sex feels good. And get a guy horny and he isn't thinking with his big head- it's in the heat of the moment. That's why there needs to be some birth control made available to the under developed parts of the world.

Australia should have no say in the Planets future.

Anyone who's studied Australia has read about them hyper polluting their prime areas.....using chemicals/herbicides/toxins all over.....made many of their native life forms extinct.

Worst farming experiment ever on planet Earth......they're use of chemicals/toxins all over has decimated them.

If left alone Australia will kill itself over time.

The only GOOD thing out of Australia right now is that their kids are refusing to use the internet/ mass media devices. So there is a tiny bit of hope for them....but those kids now have bad DNA from the dioxins and toxins used down there.

Originally posted by chrome413

Originally posted by alienDNA

my idea would be to eradicate africa (what is already going on) and use that country for something commercial.
food or what have you.

I think that's the problem with Africa. Nothing grows there. If they could grow food then they wouldn't be in the same predicament they are.

And I do agree about not making babies if you can't feed them. But we all know sex feels good. And get a guy horny and he isn't thinking with his big head- it's in the heat of the moment. That's why there needs to be some birth control made available to the under developed parts of the world.

its funny how you put the blame on the males
My guess is that you are a female?

but tell me, is it the guy who gets pregnant? ..

Originally posted by Pervius
Australia should have no say in the Planets future.

Anyone who's studied Australia has read about them hyper polluting their prime areas.....using chemicals/herbicides/toxins all over.....made many of their native life forms extinct.

Worst farming experiment ever on planet Earth......they're use of chemicals/toxins all over has decimated them.

If left alone Australia will kill itself over time.

The only GOOD thing out of Australia right now is that their kids are refusing to use the internet/ mass media devices. So there is a tiny bit of hope for them....but those kids now have bad DNA from the dioxins and toxins used down there.

Can you provide some evidence to back up your amazing claims please?
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Originally posted by RadAnonima

Originally posted by Sly1one

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this one is a vague way of introducing GMO crops as the new and only "sustainable" crops for the future...again another power grab that will require, license, taxes, registrations, laws and tickets...making the industry ONLY affordable and profitable to the government or those in bed with them...we have already seen how the government regulations have made agriculture/farming increasingly impractical for the average person...

already happening. One member here mentioned the are moving the farming to QLD... thats true but above and beyond that they are geo-engineering the region here to have many months of drought followed by huge floods each january... essentially killing off massive amounts of crops up here too... just wait and see they will start pushing more and more GMO which is designed to grow faster and bigger and the farmers, in their desperation, will lap it up having no other alternative

how are they geo-engineering the region please? sheesh! where are all of these crack pots coming from? 2 posts from different people, 2 outlandish claims! A bit of proof please guys