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Originally posted by bjax9er
and this is what, education?
no, just more marxist class warfare claptrap.edit on 4-2-2013 by bjax9er because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hecate666
As a German living in the UK and with parents that were young during WW2, I see this pledge through different eyes.
In a way it is nice to have a way to recite your love for your country. We in Germany used to do that a lot but now we are not allowed anymore. I don't know why though because making a gesture with your hand and rattling down a poem that makes it seem that your country is the best seems like a good idea [at least reading some of the posts on here]. But Americans ]mainly] told us Germans that it was a bad idea, probably because it can lead to big headedness and eases attacking other countries a lot. So yeah I understand why we [the Germans were to to stop].
But if this is true, then it must be also true for America. A warfaring country that has been involved in many more wars than Germany. Having grown up in Germany, I watched a lot of east German TV, where the "Pioniere" [Pioneers], kids dressed in beige, singing patriotic songs featured a lot and who were very patriotic.
There was talk about how brilliant the country is, they sang in the morning songs about E-Germany and communism. Just before school. The kids made hand gestures as well. [hand on temple]. Just like the american kids.
So please enlighten me here Americans. If there is no problem with children reciting pledges to their great country, then why is it frowned upon when people in N-Korea or E-Germany or in Nazi Germany do/did it? After all they did/do it with just as much enthusiasm/boredom as your children.
Children are easily impressed and when something seems normal, you can build on that and introduce the next bit.
But don't despair because in general I don't think the pledge is a bad thing IF:
- Anyone who doesn't want to say it is not punished or looked down at/ told to get out of the country etc
- There is no mentioning of god
- It is only said by people over 18 / adults
If those criteria are not met then there IS something sinister about it. I know that I feel uncomfortable seeing American children reciting it because it reminds me a lot of other things.
Originally posted by theAnswer1111
I never enjoyed doing that in school. Stupid indoctrination prisons.
Oath of Allegiance before August 2, 1934
“I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:I will at all times loyally and honestlyserve my people and countryand, as a brave soldier,I will be ready at any timeto stake my life for this oath.”
The Fuehrer Oath (effective August 2, 1934)
“I swear by almighty God this sacred oath:I will render unconditional obedienceto the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht,and, as a brave soldier,I will be ready at any timeto stake my life for this oath.”
Originally posted by smwoop
No one is forced to do it, you even admitted it yourself saying you sat out.
Just because you're unpatriotic doesn't mean you have to ruin the pledge for everyone. Some people like to say it because maybe their family has spent years working/sacrificing to get us where we are now. You do know that America is a Christian nation don't you, hence the "Under God" part.