reply to post by brandiwine14
Here is what I meant to say sorry. I'm not sure why it was so small. Still haven't figured this all out.
Actually, you don't get to dictate what liberals are saying about a subject..especially when you have it so wrong.
It is akin to me saying Conservatives demand children must be trained in firearms, forcibly if required, because a few people have said that...(and
they have. I participated in a thread about some crappy conservative commune in the works, and one part of their "constitution" was a absolute
requirement for all kids to be taught how to fire weapons and hit human sized targets).
"Your country...did you purchase the entire country? What makes -this- (will accept "our" also) country great is diversity of thoughts, ideas,
opinions, and ideals...a mixing bowl (salad or soup..take your pick). This is the second time that you have decided if someone doesn't share -your-
opinion or something, they should leave the country..."
Which makes you very much against the whole foundation of this country and its people..
Thats actually kind of funny after I posted it I had figured you would bring up the "My" all I can really say to that is you again took it out of
context. No I dont think I own this country I think we own this country and myself and others like me just want it to stay somthing to be proud of.
making you the epitome of what actually is anti-American. Hows that for some irony.
"The pledge is, and always will be a form of indoctrination. Its practiced in some form on every nation..from pledges, national anthems, etc. This is
not open for debate, this is simply fact. What is open for debate is, is patriotic indoctrination a bad thing? Personally I think not. Its important
for citizens of any nation to have pride and desire in their own country. Patriotism, competition, etc..all of these things are required for a society
to survive amongst other nations with equal patriotism."
I really have no problem with this paragraph.
"The double edged sword though is that patriotism can and has been used as a weapon against other nations and even their own people (see Nazi Germany
again and the endless quotes from the Reich about how they use patriotism for their personal gain)."
Yes that's true and that is the last thing that most of us want. But me and others like me want morals to stay a part of who we are. Anyone who
actually takes a step back and looks at our beginning and looks and listens and reads the words for what they are knows it's good in all ways and in
no way evil intended. The problem I see is when people dissect every single aspect of every single word. We could do this on and on and make
everything we have ever learned or thought something evil when really it isn't at all.
"So ya...erm...you really don't know much about liberals. You know maybe one or two people whom tend to go a bit on the absurd side and paint everyone
with that brush.
Here is something to chew on
Tim McVeigh was a conservativelibertarian...should I apply the same method as you in considering conservatives?"
Tim Mcveigh was a monster. That guy who shot up sandy hook was a Liberal but I dont think you are going out to kill a bunch of kids.
I'm not a conservative, it's funny but I use to think I was a Liberal because of my beliefs but then I saw many (not every single Liberal but all the
ones I knew) telling others their beliefs are wrong and exactly what they should believe and exactly who to except and etc...
My personal belief is live and let live. Be good to others, all of us are human and we all deserve our own thoughts to not be subject to such hatred
be it from liberals, or conservatives or any other.
I honestly enjoy learning all things about others beliefs, religions, lack of, science etc.. it gives me so much to ponder over. I would never want
to take that away from one single person and I wont stand for it to be taken from me.
Dont say it but let others say and do as they will as long as their actions bring no harm to others. And no I dont think it harms kids to say our
Pledge Of Allegiance but if they want to opt out that should be their choice.
Again had to make my point but sorry for the excessive posting.
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