reply to post by WaterBottle
Your appeal to tradition fallacy isn't working on me....sorry.
what exactly is Tradition fallacy? Are you saying that traditions do not exist? 0.o
Besides I dont really care what you think, I am not trying to convince anyone that their traditions are not traditions....somehow....
Nope. That's rather anti-American of you. This is supposed to be the country of freedom of ideology and speech. Not the land of ostracism.
Like I said I dont care what you think or say. I suggested you leave instead of trying to make the majority change because YOU, the minority, dont
like something. Sitting here trying to convince people to rally behind YOUR view that this is a bad tradition, or non-tradition...lol is undemocratic.
WE LIKE IT. The vast majority of us do, so maybe if it bothers you so much instead of insulting us, and saying we are brainwashed, OH ENLIGHTENED ONE,
leave us to our national symbols and traditions.
That's what the pledge did, sorry. The "official story" is that it was coerced upon schools by a guy selling flags. It was a marketing scheme.
Look it up.
I dont care what it was made for, It is what WE have made it. Vibrators were made as medical devices to be used by trained professionals, but today
they are used by everyday amateur masturbators world wide.....
The Pledge of allegiance is a symbol of unity and national identity. It may change like any symbolism does and may have evolved over time. Since I
wasn't around when it was made, and wont be around after I die, I will focus on what it means to us today thank you...your appeal to historical
nonsense will not work on me......
The pledge has nothing to do with being American... It's a statist chant forced on kids...started in the 1800's, then went religious in the
That is your opinion. TO MOST it is a national symbol as well as a part of our identity. IT IS very much one of our traditions as the OP states, its
been here for quite some time.
Appeal to tradition fallacy...
Appeal to nonsense on your part by pulling terminology out of your ass.....unless you invent a time machine and remove the pledge from our history and
make us stop doing it nationally since 1942, it will continue to be part of our TRADITIONS.
And it surely isn't my custom or tradition. It's forced on you as a child, you have no choice over it if you go to a public school.
because YOU dont see it as a tradition YOU embrace you try to disqualify it from the rest of us, which is insulting.....and not very American on your
part. WE CHOOSE to keep it. YOU dont so you try and force your opinion of it onto the rest of us. A minority trying to sway the thoughts of the
many......sound familiar folks...yeah, brain washing....just to your particular flavor of it.
The pledge was written by a socialist.......
AND? The Bible was written by nomadic murderers who believed in ghosts.....doesn't make it less important to us. IT is what WE make it. WE choose to
identify with it.
Oh really? Our nationalism has allowed for the invasion of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea......
NO, that was special interest groups. Many people arent in the military because of a pledge or patriotism. They are there because life ran out of
options for them, and so they tried that and liked it. Others are there for patriotism but they dont invade a country because of it. They do as the
leaders of this county which WE voted in tell them.
With or without bad leadership we would have patriotism. THAT is part of our history. We were born of a revolution paid for with the blood of
patriots. You cant erase that with any nonsense and play of words. Empire is made by war. The USA is OUR country first and foremost before any
aspirations of empire our leaders may have.
The nationalism and will to invade the middle east after 9/11 was SICKENING...
Dont even MENTION 9/11, I am a New Yorker and will not maintain courtesy with you if you try and spin 9/11 the way the idiots on the other side of the
isle from you did. Dont even. We are talking about the Pledge of allegiance. NOT how 9/11 was used to make a war in Iraq. That has absolutely nothing
to do with this topic and is really low of you to try to spin it to your favor using a tragedy. A FALSE security threat is completely different that
REALLY. how dare you.
Yeah...I don't see it.
You wouldn't. Your view is a little constrained considering where your head is.
So brainwashed, how sad.
Indeed. brainwashing is sad. You must be depressed often when people resist yours.
edit on 4-2-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)