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I just want to point out that you are blatently de-railing a thread that was created under Meta-Physics and Prophecy Forum.
Additionally, if you haven't gotten in touch with your own inner-child/higher self would I ever expect someone who only looks at tangible evidence to understand where Raud was coming from when he orignally created this thread.
Bringing guns and WW1 into this thread was just outlandish and way off topic. Nor could I hold you to any credibility to sticking to topic that is obviously taboo and not in your realm of understanding.
This is my perception of bringing Guns to a Meta-Physic Debate/Thread
Faith. I would rather have blind faith and believe in the Divine then to walk these lonely streets with 0 faith and 0 beliefs in any type of Higher Power.
Are you running for Mr. Agnostic '13?
Personally, I make a great deal about the difference between the telegraph and the internet.
Also, you seem to view "faith" as something malign. If that is the grounds you stand, I'll let you keep doing that. I have no stake in taking it from you.
Keep questioning everything, by all means do. But don't forget to also look for answers.
Right so the fact is that Raud is having an experiance. Can you discredit where and what's happening with him because everything is happening internally? I'd say that's pretty shady of any person or individual to do that.
I know more people like Raud who are having these types of experiances more than people who are not. Is this not proof enough? Can you say that since 2012 happened you haven't experianced "Lost Time" "Prophetic Thoughts" "Time has speed up" the list goes on.
So to people like Raud I commend for saying something, makes people like me who are empathetic and actually can feel and see other peoples energies smile.
I would lend you my eyes for proof but then how would I see this game of the physical we are all playing.
There is nothing wrong with being that but discussing the topic at hand with an agnostic is a waste of bandwidth.
I don't want to brag here, believe me that is not the way I work, but I struggle here to meet your demands on credentials.
And most important, and as I wrote in the OP, I am far from the only one experiencing this change.
I can go on yapping about how my spiritual development came along, how I've learned to understand the concept of "God". I can describe and theorize different theoretical and philosophical perspectives until the cows come home but it won't matter because if you can't connect with your heart that way and experience these feelings by your self totally independent of me it is of no use.
Ever heard of the "God-molechule"?
Thus, your question remains unanswerable, at least in text form and this whole discussion is really losing my interest.
Why did you even come here with such an question? What did you wish for us to answer you? If your aim was only ridicule and trolling you've had your way already like so many many others have lately. We've grown quite tired of that. Start your own thread and rant all you want. This thread had the intention to be motivational and happy. You made me change my rhetoric and I don't like that.
In an attempt to reset this thread on its track, I'd like to say how I've understood the hijacking of the 2012 phenomena.
Some years before 2012, the whole Mayan "prophecy" surfaced in mainstream society. Coming with it was somewhat cryptic ideas about "the end of an age" (and the beginning of a new one, in good cyclical order).
As media kept feeding us paranoia
For the ones of us who didn't buy into the apocalypse but did notice the Mayan "prognosis" for cosmic influence it is different.
The 2012 convergence (a very good term, imo) marks the time when the process has clearly gained motion and has become irreversible (if ever reversible).
I suggest that it is real and that it is faith that backs it up. It is both sides of the coin at the same time, do you get it?
The same goes with the "God-molechule", it is both physically real and a gateway to the divine (no, I have never obtained or consumed this substance if that is what anyone of you think).
I am sorry if I misunderstood you on the credentials but I though it was an extended part of your demands for "proof". I reckoned the question would emerge sooner or later.
The question on how I know this is happening with others as well is fairly easy to answer: because I have an active communication with different people. I don't know if you do notice but there has been far more post that concur than those opposed in this thread only.
OK, so I claim that a convergence is taking place. You say: "show me". I explain. You say: "show me".
That is how I understand the way you make conversation. We write in the same language, still nothing seems to get through. Real annoying.
Another "hoax thread"? A hoax of what? What motives and gains would I have? Did you check how long I've been on ATS? Do I come off like the guy who enjoy a good hoax every now and then?
Don't insult my intellect.
Invoke censorship? Just what the hell are you talking about?
Why did you even come here with such an question? What did you wish for us to answer you? If your aim was only ridicule and trolling you've had your way already like so many many others have lately. We've grown quite tired of that. Start your own thread and rant all you want.
Now you made your stand:
all of this is "baloney" to you. Therefore you are not here to expand your views but to slander. It is so much more easy to mock than to make a stand. I welcome a good debate but since you labelled the topic like you did all further discussion seems pointless to me.
To me and others it is not "baloney". This thread is dedicated to them/us.
You are "trolling", whether you intend to or not.
Originally posted by stereologist
I am shifting towards the conclusion that this is not real.
You're not shifting anything. You had that conclusion firmly in place all along.
This only leaves room for some sort of compromise.
Taken the fact there there is no objective truth (which is actually an contradiction in itself) we must rely on our perceptive skills.
These skills vary between people for different reasons. Thus, multiple versions of "truth" exists at the same time.
You subscribe to one, I subscribe to another.
So, my intention for this thread was something along the lines of:
"Hey, I am having this experience. Anyone else feeling the same? Let's get together and support each other!"
See why some of us might react like we do?
Seems like the most sore subject here is Calleman and Arguilles.
Personally I have never heard of the latter but some of the former. Though I initally got into Calleman I had some harder times following him as organized critique arose. Still I can't say that he is/was totally off either. I think some of his conclusions are interesting. However what I really got out from it was another dimension to all my other observations. The timing feels right in correlation to those observations. I therefore make the conclusion that the convergence is happening in one form or another.
You doubt that my conclusions are valid and I question your way of reasoning towards that doubt.
Before we start to sink to lower rhetorical levels lets just get along and return to either ringside.
Uneasy truce, someone?