Minister defends parents' right to smack

Originally posted by Wertdagf

So resisting arrest is the same as a child being hit by their parents?

I suppose when you child refuses to sit on the naughty step, you just repeat yourself until it complies?

reply to post by ollncasino


Maybe you should read up on parenting instead of just assuming that hitting your child is the only option.

There is quite a large amount of episodes of the show Nanny 911 and Super Nanny on HULU.

, And yes you keep putting them back on the step and resetting the time. It works, it really does.

Originally posted by lacrimaererum
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

 

parents who hit their kids only do so because they cant control their temper.

bullies.

these parents generally stop hitting their kids when the kids grow big enough to defend themselves,

Total bollocks, a parent can control their temper and give warnings several times with an eventual threat that if you don't stop that you will get a smack. If the child doesn't listen they get a smack (or sometimes sent to their room or both). There are ways to discipline children but all in moderation and appropriate to the situation. When children get older they can be reasoned with more, at that stage it becomes 'if you don't stop that you will not be allowed on the Xbox/PC/or whatever the child prizes most'
With no discipline at all and only 'talking to and reasoning with' children will walk all over you and become out of control.
You say bullies??? Let me tell you how bullies work. The children who bullied my kids at school didn't stop after the 'we will have a chat with them and explain that what they are doing is wrong', no, it took 4 years of schools doing 'little chats' under the softly softly system, and that did NOTHING to stop their bullying behaviour and it wasn't until I demanded the parents be brought in and that it must stop NOW that I actually got some action to stop it and it did, over night in fact.

Tell me, how many children have you raised? I am curious to know.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Maybe you should read up on parenting instead of just assuming that hitting your child is the only option.

There is quite a large amount of episodes of the show Nanny 911 and Super Nanny on HULU.

In all seriousness, super nanny does have some good techniques.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
And yes you keep putting them back on the step and resetting the time. It works, it really does.

You mean you physically over power them with your superior strength!

How is that different from a policeman arresting you if you resist arrest? Surely you can't claim that your child never resists being put on the naughty step.

Surely you are teaching your kids that might is right?

reply to post by ollncasino


Comparing picking your child up and putting them back in timeout to physically harming them is dishonest.

When you place your child in timeout your are supposed to give the child a valid explination as to why this is happening. The nature of timeout is not simply might makes right, but that some who loves you is enforcing the rules in a calm and concince manner.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Comparing picking your child up and putting them back in timeout to physically harming them is dishonest.

You are physically over powering them.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

When you place your child in timeout your are supposed to give the child a valid explination as to why this is happening.

The nature of timeout is not simply might makes right, but that some who loves you is enforcing the rules in a calm and concince manner.

The police calmly explain to you why you have been physically over powered when you get to the police station as well.

Don't get me wrong. Hitting a child and physically forcing a child to sit on the naughty step are clearly different.

Nonetheless you are teaching your child, in a calm manner or otherwise, that might is right.

And why not. It's the way of the world.

reply to post by ollncasino


So, if you care about what the BEST ways to raise your children are.... youll admit that hitting them isnt it.

If you care about rationalizing the abuse of children then youll cling to phsyicall abuse as a method of parenting.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

If you care about rationalizing the abuse of children then youll cling to phsyicall abuse as a method of parenting.

All things in moderation. The occasional smack never did any child any harm.

Originally posted by CthulhuMythos
Total bollocks,

Tell me, how many children have you raised? I am curious to know.

This is the kind of language you use on a public website while talking about disciplining children?It says a lot about you.

Why would i divulge to someone like you how many kids i have raised.

Like i said already bullies hit their children. They are people who don't have the necessary skill set to deal with problems that raising kids brings with it and have to resort to physical abuse.

reply to post by ollncasino


Well atleast we know now your trying to rationalize, you would rather use a poor method of educating your children because you like to?

Moderating proper parenting with physical abuse seems very irrational.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Moderating proper parenting with physical abuse seems very irrational.

It's the emotional abuse that leaves the lasting harm.

I always got the impression that parents beat their kids because they're too lazy or stupid to conceive of a better approach. I got beaten plenty as a child and I've resented my parents for many years because of it. They only switched over to taking away my toys for weeks, months, or years at a time after I developed a leather butt and became resistant to their beatings... and then what do you know? They found it actually worked better.

Their disciplines were still incredibly overbearing though and I still resented them. Most of the time I was just asking for an explanation and I got punished for "sassing". My NES that I saved up for and bought myself was taken away for a year once because I was asking what sassing meant and instead of an answer I got punished more & more until I realized that all they wanted was for me to be quiet. I got the NES back for my birthday that year instead of them buying me a birthday present. Pathetic.

Ok I better stop talking/thinking about it... I'm getting riled.

Maybe a smack here or there works when the child can't understand anything else (when they're really young), but it would have to be a very light smack. More of a shock than a pain. It's a form of communication when other forms don't work. Problem is, most parents who "smack" do a lot more than that.

reply to post by ollncasino


Id think constantly being under the threat of physical abuse would qualify as emotional abuse.

Go to bed our ill hit you.... drink your milk or ill hit you... clean your room or ill hit you... eat your veggies or ill hit you..... dont use bad words or ill hit you.... get ready for church or ill hit you... share your toys or ill hit you... DONT HIT OR ILL HIT YOU!!!!!!

Sad to see you rationalizing this over and over...

If you cared about the BEST ways to raise your children you would admit that hitting them ISNT IT.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Sad to see you rationalizing this over and over...

Sad to see you trying to demomize me because I disagree with you. I hope you don't treat your kids like that.

reply to post by ollncasino


Ill gladly demonize the idea that your promoting which is hitting your children is ok as long as it is in moderation.

Moderating good parenting with bad parenting is idiotic at best.

IF you cared about what the BEST ways to raise your children are you would admit that hitting them isnt it.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Wow, classic move from the book "Stupid %&*^ to Say When You Run Out of Arguments". In book stores across the nation!

Obviously with that reply this thread is dead.

It was a real question.

My father hit me too much. Way too much. What I took from it wasn't that smacking was entirely wrong but rather smacking in excess was wrong.

I don't know how "light smacking" affects a child, because it's a rather quick slope from that to abuse. My parents used to break wooden spoons over my rear, and use leather belts on a semi-daily basis. That is abuse, not punishment.