Think in opposites, people.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by arpgme

 

The truth is change/movement is occurring through form and to be attached to a form (physical possessions) will lead to suffering...

This begs a question to all mortals of suffering. Is suffering natural. is it ok to suffer? , is it good?

What do you think??
Ask yourself 'Do i enjoy suffering?'

When one has had enough suffering it will lead to salvation.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by arpgme

 

The truth is change/movement is occurring through form and to be attached to a form (physical possessions) will lead to suffering...

This begs a question to all mortals of suffering. Is suffering natural. is it ok to suffer? , is it good?

Of course it is. Buddha suffered until he was nearly dead, then decided it was folly.

He then continued on his insanity and tried to describe alternative ways to "end suffering".

People who hack their brains into not suffering, are of no good use to humanity.

If everyone spent their lives trying to limit/erase suffering, they would accomplish nothing, and we'd be sent back to the stone age.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

To accept suffering, and channel it into progression. Now we're getting somewhere!

Originally posted by unityemissions



People who hack their brains into not suffering,

Originally posted by unityemissions
Now we're getting somewhere!

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reply to post by AthlonSavage


Suffering is necessary for appreciation. If you don't have 0, then how does 1 have any value? If absence has no meaning, then why should abundance have meaning? Suffering leads to appreciation, an intimate understanding of values. This is elementary, Watson.

reply to post by unityemissions

To accept suffering, and channel it into progression. Now we're getting somewhere!

In that case, we should have been making tons of progress by now!

reply to post by AfterInfinity


The irony of this is that you are utilizing part of this "progress" to communicate with me.

How much denial you must be in to think we haven't progressed in mind-boggling!

reply to post by 1Learner


Thanks 1learner, quite a well considered answering post.

What I was trying to articulate is that science often makes use of reductive reasoning to break a complex problem down to manageable parts, but that this method is particularly inapplicable to human consciousness, which requires a more holistic approach.

The OP's thesis that we can be defined through what we are not, by opposites, may work where boundary conditions in Physics or limits in math are well defined, but when they are intangibles, as in the case of human consciousness, definitions become personal and will vary according to the nature of the observer.

Originally posted by unityemissions

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by arpgme

 

The truth is change/movement is occurring through form and to be attached to a form (physical possessions) will lead to suffering...

This begs a question to all mortals of suffering. Is suffering natural. is it ok to suffer? , is it good?

Of course it is. Buddha suffered until he was nearly dead, then decided it was folly.

He then continued on his insanity and tried to describe alternative ways to "end suffering".

People who hack their brains into not suffering, are of no good use to humanity.

If everyone spent their lives trying to limit/erase suffering, they would accomplish nothing, and we'd be sent back to the stone age.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

To accept suffering, and channel it into progression. Now we're getting somewhere!

Accepting suffering and channelling it into progression is what got humanity into this miserable state.There has been NO progression whatsoever. There has never been a "Good ol' Days".

Most of us suffer from the projections we have in our own minds, laced with fears, anxieties, insecurities, prejudices and conditioning. Yet , 99% of the suffering in our minds, are of things that aren't happening in the present moment. Occupied and suffering over things that have NO existential qualities whatsoever. Continuously suffering from that which does not exist, is insanity.

So if you say it is intelligent to continue to use that type of energy, as a means to create a better world, I respectfully disagree with you. Humanity has been trying to do that for thousands of years, and look where it's gotten us.

reply to post by Visitor2012


I am thinking of the word persistance. People can be forced into a mindset wherein one must persist, continiously, even when the ground one stood on is moved from under ones feet.

"Transformation" + Death of the self

I also have this to add: I used it in my signature recently.

The Chickpea

A chickpea in a pot leaps from the flame,
out from the boiling water,
Crying, "Why do you set fire to me?
You chose me, bought me, brought me home for this?"
The cook hits it with her spoon into the pot.
"No! Boil nicely, don't jump away from the one who makes the fire.
I don't boil you out of hatred.
Through boiling you may grow flavorful, nourishing,
and united with vital human spirit.
I don't inflict this suffering out of spite.
Once green and fresh, you drank rain in the garden;
you drank for the sake of this fire.

Chickpea, you fed in the springtime;
now pain has become your guest.
Entertain him well, that he may return home grateful,
and speak of your generosity to the King.
Instead of your vision of good fortune,
the One Who Bestows Favor may come to you;
then all true blessings may be drawn to you.

Chickpea, continue to boil in suffering,
so that no self may remain in you.
Though once you laughed in the garden of earth,
you now are the rose of the garden of spirit,
you now are the eye of spirit.
Once you are torn from the garden of water and earth,
you may become food, and thereby enter the living world.
Become nourishment, strength and thought!
Once you were sap; now become a lion in the jungle!

The caravan of spirit travels constantly between earth and heaven.
Join it gladly and freely,
not bitterly and full of hatred, like a thief.
I speak bitter words to you so you may be washed clean of bitterness.
The frozen grape thaws in the cold water
and leaves its coldness and hardness behind.
When you endure bitterness,
your heart will fill with blood like the grape,
and you will be freed from all bitterness.
A dog not kept for hunting wears no collar;
the raw and unboiled are nothing but insipid."

The chickpea speaks, "If this is so, then help me to boil!
By this boiling you elevate me.
Hit me with the spoon; delight me!
Like the elephant, strike me and brand my head,
that I may not dream of the gardens of Hindustan.
Let me gladly submit to this boiling
that I may be embraced by the Beloved.
Men and women, imagining themselves free,
grow insolent and hostile, like the dreaming elephant.
When the elephant dreams of Hindustan,
he disobeys the driver and becomes vicious."
Detail from Persian painting, 654/1256. Click for complete painting.

The cook says, "I was once like you, part of the earth.
I drank the fire of self-discipline, fasting and prayer,
and became worthy and acceptable to God.
I boiled long in the world of time, and long in the pot of this body.
From these boilings I grew capable of strengthening the senses;
I became animal spirit, and then became your teacher.
While inanimate, I said to myself,
'You are running about in agitation
so that you might be filled with knowledge
and the qualities of spirit.'
Now that I have become animal spirit,
let me boil again and pass beyond that state."


Pray unceasingly to God that you might not be misled by these words,
and that you might arrive at your journey's end.
For many have been misled by the Qur'an;
by clinging to the rope of words, many have fallen into the well.
The rope is faultless, O perverse ones —
it is you who lack desire to reach the top.
Rumi


I hope this is the complete poem. You can find it HERE

Good luck partitioner. Persist.

Could try a meditation too, this one is best lying down, though connected to water, huge pile of dishes where going zen mind out of boredom and becoming the task is expected, or a nice long soak in a hot bath, but please don't fall asleep.

Reach the inner flutters or vibration stage,not outer. Examine, without directing, where your consciousness is.

Stay there.

If you can reach higher, by this I mean lighter, the place where peace and all sensation of body or (if you're in pain or illness) all sensation that is uncomfortable ceases or eases, and yet there is energy, quickness of thought. its a place within you. Reach into your water, and stay there.

Then pull that into your daily activities.

Bring that in home here. Flow with it.

Just remember, no walls, no rules, don't force or direct, your staying with your consciousness. And open your mind/empty it.

reply to post by Angle


I will say this...if the real world was illusionary...I certainly would not be wearing a vest.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Angle


For a while...it was said that people could only dream in Black and White.

This is not true and I dream in VERY vivid colors. This includes dreaming about a very Sunny Day.

Split Infinity

reply to post by LittleByLittle


I am uniquely aware of just who I am as well as what Demons I wrestle with.

Your Subconscious remembers everything. It remembers and is aware of things that the conscious mind is not aware of as a persons Conscious Mind is not aware of all sensory input that a person takes in from their various forms of senses.

Your conscious mind is not aware of all this recorded data and when something is going on in your life that pertains to some of this data...the subconscious attempts to make you aware of it in the form of dreams.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Angle


A person says it is either true or not true as in this case...they are making a judgement upon what their eyes see and thus what color one sees is SUBJECTIVE and dependent upon conditions and ability of perception.

If we analyzed a persons eye color by using a Light Spectrometer and asked if the majority of frequency of light being relected off a persons eyes was at what specific frequency...and after doing the analysis...the spectrometer showed that there were many Frequencies and thus Colors of Light both Visable and not to the human eye but the MAJORITY of this light was a frequecy specific to IR-LIGHT....thus the persons eyes were actually Infra-Red in the majority of Light Color....

....or Perhaps the person looking at the eyes saw them to be Blue because of the reflection of Pool Water in the eyes as they looked at them although if not by the pool the eyes looked Green.

Thus it is subjective and thus a TRUTH.

THE FACT...is determined by a specific experimentation based upon detection by a Light Spectrometer that provided a FACT.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Angle

 

I will say this...if the real world was illusionary...I certainly would not be wearing a vest.

Split Infinity

“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”–Albert Einstein

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Did Einstein read the Qu'ran?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Good Quote!

Split Infinity