Author of "American Sniper" among the dead at Rough Creek

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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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I agree 100% that he was right to shoot in defense of fellow soldiers. He was even right to shoot viable targets in an offensive role.

He was wrong to write a book bragging about it. Want to write a book explaining the skills required for long range shooting? No problem. Want to write a book that glorifies a kill count? Problem.

I offer my condolences to his friends, family, and team mates all the same.




posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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Come on you guys, this thread was one minute behind my thread, and the two other threads on the subject were put up four hours later. Instead of commenting on any of them, why isn't everyone here making their own threads about this? We can branch off into the hundreds at some point, and cover every possible motive, the aspects of PTSD and its psych drug connection to the killings, several threads on the Hunting Lodge itself, and at least a dozen on the life and exploits of Kyle, Then there could be threads about his book, and others about....... the list is endless! Get on it, you slackers, I want to see a dozen threads on this by noon.
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
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WOW! I hadn’t heard about this incident with Kris Kyle. It is ironic that people like Kris, who lived a wild and dangerous lifestyle and have survived some of the most dangerous situations a man could face, often die doing something normal. I had a buddy who died three weeks after returning from a deployment to Iraq. He survived bullets and IED’s only to be taken out by a drunk driver who ran a red light and struck his vehicle.

That’s life, I guess. You never know when it’s your turn and it’s usually unexpected.



I'm not sure that dying from a shooting as a civilian is what I would call "dying of something normal"... but considering the latest shooting trend in the US... hey, maybe it turned "normal"...



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by goou111
 


WOW! I hadn’t heard about this incident with Kris Kyle. It is ironic that people like Kris, who lived a wild and dangerous lifestyle and have survived some of the most dangerous situations a man could face, often die doing something normal. I had a buddy who died three weeks after returning from a deployment to Iraq. He survived bullets and IED’s only to be taken out by a drunk driver who ran a red light and struck his vehicle.

That’s life, I guess. You never know when it’s your turn and it’s usually unexpected.



I'm not sure that dying from a shooting as a civilian is what I would call "dying of something normal"... but considering the latest shooting trend in the US... hey, maybe it turned "normal"...


You know what he meant by normal I am sure. But if not he means in civilian life and not in military life. The fool had to brag about his kill count though,and that is just bad form. You open yourself up to people that will be after the title of Who killed the best sniper. Soldiers doing their countries bidding and protecting themselves are not guilty of murder no matter what side actually.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 12:31 PM
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Huh well I am disgusted by quite a few comments in this thread disparaging Kyle and those same people were dancing in the streets for the death of Bin Laden and the glorious leader who single handily did it.

What a bunch of hypocrites,

Rest in peace Kyle.
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock
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I was told by a US Army Special Forces man that the founder of the Green Berets was assassinated some years later on his way to work somewhere in South America. Gots to watch that a## out there friends if you make a name for yourself like this.



The truth is often less exciting and mysterious.

Colonel Aaron Bank, founder of the Green Berets died at an assisted-living facility in Dana Point, California in 2004.

militarymuseum.org
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Huh well I am disgusted by quite a few comments in this thread disparaging Kyle and those same people were dancing in the streets for the death of Bin Laden and the glorious leader who single handily did it.

What a bunch of hypocrites,

Rest in peace Kyle.
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Neo doing your duty is one thing,and I appreciate his service but can you honestly say its a good idea to brag about your kill count? There is a reason snipers are usually never named or show their face unless they are not on assignment. Its is to be kept secret to prevent reprisals.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Neo doing your duty is one thing,and I appreciate his service but can you honestly say its a good idea to brag about your kill count?


Like this?

GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead.

We came We Saw Gaddafi Died.

Both totally acceptable and yet Kyle is not.

Hypocritic imo.
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Swills


Why would you take anyone with PSTD to a shooting range? From what I can find so far there was a charity event for veterans so that explains why he was the range with disable vets. Still, terrible place to be for those with mental issues.




It was probably a part of some behavioural - desensitization therapy, which involved gradual exposure to stimuli which elicited the fear/anxiety etc.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Meldionne1
He was helping a marine who had PTSD and the marine snapped and shot Chris point blank. And Chris's neighbor who was helping too.


I am not buying the PTSD story in and of itself. No not one bit.

Past that, to all those that say "live by the gun die by the gun", you are misapplying that passage. You can not judge if he was EVER an unjust aggressor, and in war you are justified as long as you follow ROE.

I want to know what REALLY caused this, aside from the generic PTSD story we always get. There is more involved here than simply PTSD.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by starviego

It should be noted that Ventura himself thought the allegations by Kyle were part of an organized plan, and not just the words of a braggart:

www.theblaze.com...
. .....I am perplexed over the agenda this man has and why a fellow Navy Seal would tell a lie about an event that never happened. Clearly between this story and the previous week’s story about supposedly getting pulled over for tailgaiting (sic) in CA that was also a lie, someone is out to destroy my credibility. I find it very interesting that both these stories are being spread by Fox news and it’s (sic) affiliates. ....


I'm 100% convinced his death has something to do with this lawsuit.

I've followed this ordeal from the very beginning and i never believed Kyle's story about Ventura, especially at a time where a Paul and Ventura ticket for the White House was getting a lot of public discussion.

One of the charges Ventura brought against Kyle was "Unjust Enrichment" for using his name and this story to make profits. Ventura gave him a chance to settle out of court if he would admit he lied. Kyle refused and tried to get the judge to dimiss the charges instead. The judge refused and set a trial date for August.

I believe Ventura's lawyers had info on who was behind(paying) this guy and it was going to be very embarassing or possiblely lead to further charges against other people.

This guy was made to disappear. I say disappear because supposely witnesses say this shootout took place at 3:30 pm and the police didn't show up till sometime between 5:30 and 6:00 pm(i've seen both times in different articles).
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by Swills


Why would you take anyone with PSTD to a shooting range? From what I can find so far there was a charity event for veterans so that explains why he was the range with disable vets. Still, terrible place to be for those with mental issues.




It was probably a part of some behavioural - desensitization therapy, which involved gradual exposure to stimuli which elicited the fear/anxiety etc.


Do you people really freaking buy the PTSD story? oh goodness. Well, at least we have a good scapegoat to blame everything that happens in the military on.

PTSD is a real condition but when people snap like this something else is going on. Possibly ANYTHING at this point, we need more info on the situation... we probably won't get the real story anyways.

People with PTSD do just fine at the range. Stop labeling our veterans as having a mental disorder just because they have seen combat. Sh*t happens, and you don't know the story.
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:25 PM
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Live by the sword, Die by the sword. I wish our soldiers weren't so brainwashed. They truly have made themselves into Nazi's. You KNOW it's bad, when they start writing books about their murderous rampages.
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Meldionne1
He was helping a marine who had PTSD and the marine snapped and shot Chris point blank. And Chris's neighbor who was helping too.


Why are you helping a guy with PTSD at a gun range?



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Visitor2012
Live by the sword, Die by the sword.

What if that sniper proudly killed someone you Loved, would you view this as justice? This guy slaughtered people for a lie, and yet he was held in high regard.

He might have been a wonderful person to theses fortunate NOT to be on the recieving end of his barrel. But let's not parade our murderous accomplishments. This guy died by his own sword.
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The only one you managed to properly judge here is yourself. Think about that.

Or did you serve with him and see how it all went down?



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Meldionne1
He was helping a marine who had PTSD and the marine snapped and shot Chris point blank. And Chris's neighbor who was helping too.


Why are you helping a guy with PTSD at a gun range?


Why wouldn't you? Does PTSD bar people from gun ownership? Is PTSD a mental illness? No.

Stop labeling our veterans as crazy just because they have seen combat!! sickening. Nice reward they get for their service - a minimum wage job and labeled mentally ill. Go ahead, fuel the fire.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by Swills


Why would you take anyone with PSTD to a shooting range? From what I can find so far there was a charity event for veterans so that explains why he was the range with disable vets. Still, terrible place to be for those with mental issues.




It was probably a part of some behavioural - desensitization therapy, which involved gradual exposure to stimuli which elicited the fear/anxiety etc.




People with PTSD do just fine at the range. Stop labeling our veterans as having a mental disorder just because they have seen combat. Sh*t happens, and you don't know the story.
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Calm down and wipe the spittle from your computer monitor.

Breath in .......... breath out.

Repeat process.

Now then ........ whats the problem?


Systematic desensitization is a treatment for PTSD (i.e. a mental disorder)

edited **********


Inhale ...... exhale & repeat !




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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Bedlam
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I reckon that PTSD != mental illness across most of the spectrum.

I also reckon that it's a bad precedent to instill in the mens publica that it is.


PTSD can be some bad dreams or full blown crazy....very broad brush to use. As we go down the future path of keeping guns out of mentally ill people I can see that just about anything can be considered mental illness.


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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by Swills


Why would you take anyone with PSTD to a shooting range? From what I can find so far there was a charity event for veterans so that explains why he was the range with disable vets. Still, terrible place to be for those with mental issues.




It was probably a part of some behavioural - desensitization therapy, which involved gradual exposure to stimuli which elicited the fear/anxiety etc.




People with PTSD do just fine at the range. Stop labeling our veterans as having a mental disorder just because they have seen combat. Sh*t happens, and you don't know the story.
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Calm down and wipe the spittle from your computer monitor.

Breath in .......... breath out.

Repeat process.

Now then ........ whats the problem?


Systematic desensitization is a treatment for PTSD - YOU asked why somebody with PTSD (i.e. a mental disorder) would be at a firing range....

It was my opinion - this is a discussion forum buddy



Inhale ...... exhale & repeat !




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No I did not ask that. That would be swills I believe.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Bedlam
reply to post by lacrimaererum
 


I reckon that PTSD != mental illness across most of the spectrum.

I also reckon that it's a bad precedent to instill in the mens publica that it is.


PTSD can be some bad dreams or full blown crazy....very broad brush to use. As we go down the future path of keeping guns out of mentally ill people I can see that just about anything can be considered mental illness.


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PTSD better not be on that list. When people snap, there is more than PTSD going on.

I would hate to see our veterans have their guns taken. Some reward for serving the country....





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