Inmates Swam To Save Boys...

Originally posted by merkins
Provided they aren't in for serious and violent crimes against people, then hell yeh let them out early.

They've had the stick now let them have a little carrot. Not just as a reward to them, but as an example to others that being a positive part of society has its own rewards, and time in prison doesn't have to lead to a lifetime of crime.

Regardless of what they are in for?

This is a great story. A nice refresher from the majority of stories you hear about inmates.

Personally, I'm VERY harsh on prisoners I think should be there. I believe in HARD TIME, which doesn't really exist anymore. The only hard part is the prison gang based life style....which by the by wouldn't exist nearly as much if inmates were actually doing "HARD TIME". It should be all hard work, education (if you want it), and punishment for slacking off in either. And I also think horrible violent crimes like rape and murder......if there's 100% undeniable evidence....it should just be automatic and very timely death penalty.

All that being said though......I also think there are TONS of people put in prison who shouldn't and do not deserve to be there. The article is specific to mention these prisoners from the story incarcerated there for non-violent crimes. For me, regardless of their crime, they'd be rewarded for going above and beyond. But depending on what their crime is, would dictate the reward.

If they're in there for weed, which I don't think people should be imprisoned for in the first place, I'd just flat out release the guys on the grounds of paying their debt to society for potentially saving some children's lives. If their "non-violent crime" was more along the lines of burglary.....welll, they deserve to be there and serve their time. But they'd basically be "granted a wish" in terms of prison life. Like someone said........huge meal of their choice would be nice. Hell, maybe even put them in some civies and take them out for burgers and wings at HOOTERS (unbeknownst to the other prisoners obviously). Maybe even smokes and skin mags.

Originally posted by Larry L
Like someone said........huge meal of their choice would be nice. Hell, maybe even put them in some civies and take them out for burgers and wings at HOOTERS (unbeknownst to the other prisoners obviously).

IDK what it's like in the States but that is actually possible in Canada. If the inmate has a work release permit s/he's allowed off the property if escorted.

Maybe even smokes and skin mags.

Trust me, they have that covered by themselves already.

I remember seeing a video of an elderly corrections officer getting attacked from behind by an inmate as he was setting in his chair.
It didnt take long before several of the jails inmate trustees rushed in and took the inmate out, probably saving the guards life.
Like many have already said, just because a man is in prison, doesnt mean hes a cold heartless SOB.

I would say that a reduction in their sentence at least, is in order.... of course, depending upon the severity of their crime.

Considering theses inmates are serving time for Non violent crimes, than I say time served.

serving prison sentences for non-violent crimes

The whole point of locking people up, is for violent crimes.

What did they get?

A speeding ticket and not pay the fine?

Didn't pay Child Alimony?

Did they get caught with drugs?

Ok lets look at the facts.

3 prisoners save boys from drowning.
They are in prison for not violence.

And people are saying release them, let them go early.

Its like lets bomb Iraq all over again.

How do we know this is real, how do we know it even happened or if it did, how do we know that it was not a set up.

If these three men are not connected, like worked in the same bank and came from the same town.

Then maybe, if their crimes were not all the same then maybe, I would just like more info as I don't trust anybody or any reporting unless I check it out or see it with my own eyes.

They are incarcerated in order to pay a debt to society.

I'd say the debt is now paid in full...with a little extra.

Peace

These guys should be released.

They paid their debt in full by risking their own welfare.

It doesn't matter that "anybody" would do the same. Anybody wasn't there. They were. People get panicky, lose their nerve, and become filled with self-doubt and confusion in normal non-emergency situations. Many freakout in a real emergency. So no, not just anybody can or will swim out to save the drowning.

I'll even go out on a limb and say that not all violent offenders are bad people. Some 'violent offenders' are in lockup because they had to do a bad thing to stop a bad person from doing something worse. It's not all that difficult to end up with an assault charge.

Can't think of a nonviolent crime worth keeping these guys in jail that isn't overshadowed by the fact that they saved the lives of two kids.

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by elevatedone

Now for the twist.... I know we don't know exactly what crimes these guys committed, but what would you say if they were to be released for these heroic acts? Or possibly time taken off and they can get out early?

Why?
Do people who are not inmates get a get out of jail free card if they save a drowning kid?

Good people have to pay their dues just like bad people do.

These inmates' motivation for this heroic deed wasn't to help them get out of jail early, there was no reward on offer to 'encourage' or sway them to do this, and they probably don't expect to get out of jail early either. The only reason they did this is that they are human beings and acted as such.

Just because they are guilty of making a few mistakes in life doesn't make them less than human.

It doesn't make them any more human either. It was a nice thing to do but it was also the right thing to do.

Heroes save lives every day. Doesn't get them a discount on jail time though.

Here in calif a lot of people that do non violent crimes don't even get jail time.

The few that do get out with only 1/4 time served.

the state of calif is broke and they can not afford to jail non violent criminals when they have so many violent criminals to protect.(the gun laws in calif make it hard to just shoot them and save the taxpayers money)

Originally posted by intrepidThere's an inmate code. I'd be surprised if they had done nothing.

Unless you're a kiddy diddler or straight up crazy, most inmates I know would pose no threat to kids at all, other than more bad decisions.

Hell, most of the guys I know on the inside, and there's probably a dozen, have more issues with bad impulse control or a poor ability to project consequences of actions. And they can rationalize stupid decisions with great facility, but I hesitate to call them "bad" or "evil".

In a sort of similar way, we told the kids when they were young if they were scared or lost and couldn't find someone in a military uniform or a policeman, to go to a biker.

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by elevatedone

Now for the twist.... I know we don't know exactly what crimes these guys committed, but what would you say if they were to be released for these heroic acts? Or possibly time taken off and they can get out early?

Why?
Do people who are not inmates get a get out of jail free card if they save a drowning kid?

Good people have to pay their dues just like bad people do.

These inmates' motivation for this heroic deed wasn't to help them get out of jail early, there was no reward on offer to 'encourage' or sway them to do this, and they probably don't expect to get out of jail early either. The only reason they did this is that they are human beings and acted as such.

Just because they are guilty of making a few mistakes in life doesn't make them less than human.

It doesn't make them any more human either. It was a nice thing to do but it was also the right thing to do.

Heroes save lives every day. Doesn't get them a discount on jail time though.

There are lots of 'nice' or 'right things to do' in this world, but how many law-abiding folk actually do them?

It's a sad society that punishes bad deeds but won't reward the good.

And the fact that some people have never been to jail doesn't mean they have never made any mistakes in their lives - it just means they have never been caught yet.

Originally posted by Bedlam

In a sort of similar way, we told the kids when they were young if they were scared or lost and couldn't find someone in a military uniform or a policeman, to go to a biker.

Sounds something like what we told our kids when they were young. When they were little I drove across country frequently and took the kids with me. When we needed to stop for something to eat or bathroom breaks we always tried to stop somewhere that we saw a lot of motorcycles in the parking lot. I was raised around bikers and have always felt safe with them around.

You know the kind of guy who does nothing but bad things and then wonders why his life sucks? Well, that was me: every time something good happened to me, something bad was always waitin' around the corner. Karma. That's when I realized I had to change. So, I made a list of everything bad I've ever done, and one by one I'm gonna make up for all my mistakes. I'm just tryin' to be a better person. My name is Earl.

that come to mind when reading bottom of that article lol.

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Well, I always figured that I might get my kid back with a new doo-rag or an education on what sound Mr Beer makes, but I'd get them back.

I know a bunch of Pistoleros, Outlaws and Bandidos, which are the main flavors around here, and while I'm not delusional about what they're up to as a business model, I am pretty sure most of them would chop off a toe rather than leave a small kid to fend for themselves.

My teenage daughter, not so sure.

reply to post by Bedlam
When I was younger I used to work for the former president of our local Bandido chapter (in a legal fashion). I babysat his youngest kid, cleaned his house, hauled his old ladies (both of them) back and forth to appointments and shopping and was his house sitter when he went on "runs". He always paid me VERY well and treated me like gold. I was always treated with respect by everybody in the club, but I cannot say that his old ladies were. I would never want to be in a relationship with most of them!

I actually think we should abolish prisons. All non violent crimes should either be taken off the books if victimless, or punished with fines and restrictions of privileges rather than with imprisonment.

Violent criminals such as rapists, murderers and people who have committed brutal physical assaults should be housed in special hospitals for the criminally insane.

Originally posted by Manhater
Considering theses inmates are serving time for Non violent crimes, than I say time served.

serving prison sentences for non-violent crimes

The whole point of locking people up, is for violent crimes.

What did they get?

A speeding ticket and not pay the fine?

Didn't pay Child Alimony?

Did they get caught with drugs?

edit on 2-2-2013 by Manhater because: (no reason given)

Just suppose for a moment one of these guys scammed hundreds of senior citizens into giving them all their retirement money and one was your Grandmother.

So now jumping into the water to help a kid...not sure how bad the situation was if one man can swim holding onto two boys....anyway should they just forget they stole all those peoples money and let them out?

There are a lot of really bad non-violent crimes.

Should not reasonable people at least concede we should klow what their crimes were before saying they should be released?

if the crime were against you you may feel differently!

No. They committed crimes and are paying the price for their actions. They should still pay the full price. That they did what many others would have done in their position is irrelevant. Else we end up saying a rapist should be let off because he previously saved 2 young children from a burning house.

But this does show that just because you do a bad thing does not mean you cannot also do a good thing. And hopefully this may stand in their favour when they have paid their due price