Wait, so it's the government making us eat unhealthy? I seem to remember some outrage at Michelle Obama for advocating a healthy diet and exercise for children. Everyone was screaming -- "how dare she (the government) tell us what we should and shouldn't eat! If we want to eat unhealthy, that's our right!" Remember the healthy school lunches Michelle was coordinating across public schools? Oh, that made some people real angry.

The toxic environment/chemicals/pollution, etc. IS a problem that the government should be dealing with. But the whole unhealthy food thing is all on us, unfortunately.

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I wonder how early this sort of thing started happening? Or has it always been going on?
Bread and circuses. Only these days, it's usually something less healthy than bread.

Hamburgers and television, that's the bread and circuses of the modern era. And there's nothing quite like a good ol' Winston Cancerette. Winstons taste good like a cigarette should. If you light up a cig, you'll look just like the Marlboro Man. Only, the Marlboro man died of cancer. Isn't that strange?

Corporations wouldn't lie to us... unless there's money to be made doing it. Then they'll do it in a heart beat.

And I don't tend to pay attention to what Michelle Obama says, or does. Politics don't change things. She's saying that, on one hand, and on the other's probably taking money from Monsanto.
"Hey, kids, eat lots of vegetables! Lots of tasty, genetically engineered vegetables!"

Originally posted by Grifter42
I wonder how early this sort of thing started happening? Or has it always been going on?
Bread and circuses. Only these days, it's usually something less healthy than bread.

Hamburgers and television, that's the bread and circuses of the modern era. And there's nothing quite like a good ol' Winston Cancerette. Winstons taste good like a cigarette should. If you light up a cig, you'll look just like the Marlboro Man. Only, the Marlboro man died of cancer. Isn't that strange?

Corporations wouldn't lie to us... unless there's money to be made doing it. Then they'll do it in a heart beat.

And I don't tend to pay attention to what Michelle Obama says, or does. Politics don't change things. She's saying that, on one hand, and on the other's probably taking money from Monsanto.
"Hey, kids, eat lots of vegetables! Lots of tasty, genetically engineered vegetables!"

edit on 2-2-2013 by Grifter42 because: Edited for clarity.

Oh for sure, the companies marketing and selling this stuff are the bad guys. They're just out to make a buck, they don't care who they hurt (or kill). But if the government were to try to ban cigarettes for the public good - how well do you think that would go over with the public?

I just think you are on the wrong path, thinking this is a conspiracy by the government to reduce the population, or something. The government would like to have as many of us as possible, to live as long as possible (and retire as late as possible), so they can get more tax dollars out of us.

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The lines between corporation and government are blurred, and shadowy. Like the Rand Corporation. I bet they've done studies on this, with a whole bunch of bar graphs that say they can save a ton of money, if they shave fifteen percent off the populace's life span.

The boardrooms of many fortune 500 companies are full of people who are, were, or are going to be involved in the government. Power and money go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

And yes, technically Hendrix choked to death, but he choked to death while in a coma induced by heroin use. Let's not get overly technical here.

Most people have little control over their lives...

It is of no coincidence that the most dangerous, chemical-laden "food" became the "rations" for the poor or unsuccessful. It isn't like this in all parts of the world, in fact it's kind of an anomaly in the west that the poor eat what basically amounts to 'science experiments'. In other parts of the world, the poor simply eat what is available to them, which is mostly local food.. real food.

What are you going to eat if you're on the outs in America, and you're not even scraping enough cash to rival "minimum wage" a day? Well you're going to the Dollar Menu at McDestructos or "99 cent" tacos at Taco Bell.

These people who eat at these places... have they ever posed the simple question of how you can buy a "99 cent meal" in America, when the dollar doesn't even have value anymore? Ever wondered what was "really" in that slop you're calling a meal??

Impulse control and life circumstance.

That's what I think it boils down to.

We can eat good, but most of us don't. We can do full body exercise, but most of us don't. We can work hard and get a masters degree, but many don't. We can do lots of things.

You know, lately I been thinking it's instinct. We're not in control of it. Essentially, I guess I'm saying that we're creatures of our environment. We're animals just like the other animals.

I do think we're better off than we were in the past. I'm not one of those people who thinks that technology is evil or corrupting. However, I do think that our nature isn't easily managed. We will always be fighting against it. And things will always change and make previous things obsolete. The older we're the more exposed we're to how things change and previous things are lost.

I envy people who have faith. People who're good at interacting with others. People who thrive on accomplishing meaningful things within the framework of their society. Somewhere along the line I was thrown off the train and been wandering the gutters and alleys of reality. I did it myself. Instinct? Plain stupidity? Ineptness, laziness? I don't know, but I'd swear I'm just dumb.

And another thing is that people who fail and have been at it for a long while start to lie to themselves. They start to justify their experience. It's part of cognitive dissonance. They convince themselves they can't get better so they lay the blame on something else to escape.

...not another double post....

Ain't life grand? Capitalism, at it's finest. The truncheon and yolk of the so-called free market. This is what happens when bribes are legalized in the form of lobbying. The corporations bought up the senate and congress for pennies on the dollar, and so we have to deal with it.

It's a rock and a hard place situation, because you wouldn't be able to feed 7 billion and counting with quaint, folksy, non-industrial farming. And all the while, the soil quality is decreasing, and we're using up more and more resources.

Originally posted by k1k1to
...contrary to popular belief.. the average life span of a human has dropped significantly it now teeters between late 50's and mid 60's and should continue a steady decline as "our" generation starts to reach our mid 40's...

This is all partly due to all the vaccines...

Actually, if you look to the facts, the life expectancy of people in the West and worldwode is increasing and not (as you say) in decline. You can point me to some facts, otherwise I wll rely on the evidence from numerous sources which disproves your assertion.

Furthermore, child mortality in the developing world is significantly improving, primarily due to access to healthcare and (ahem) vaccines.

I bet you live in a comfy house and are a world away from polio. In fact, I bet you have never met someone with polio. Get on a plane and travel to rural India and educate yourself on vaccinations.

Regards

Originally posted by Grifter42
So, look around you. You'll see an overpopulated state, with almost religious fervor for consumerism and fast food.
I once tried to talk to you folks about Coca Cola, and how the company oppresses people, but it goes deeper than that.

Why do you think the national beverage is sugar water? Why do you think the All-American meal is full of ingredients that will kill you twenty or thirty years on down the line? They want your best years, and then, they want you to die before you can start collecting retirement. They tested this whole scheme in the inner cities with minorities, and it worked pretty well. African Americans have some of the highest rates of diabetes and heart disease in the nation. Well, they're moving on to other people.

They want a subservient, dumbed down populace, and then they want that populace to drop dead once they're not useful anymore. That's why cigarettes and liquor are still legal. Because they keep the people foggy and out of it, and they kill you down on the line.

We are being bred to work, to shop, and then to die.

The people aren't being groomed like cattle! They're being rounded like sheep. There's a reason why people are being pushed to the coast lines N,S,W,E. Agenda 21 is part of that plan. The reason why the economy is so bad is because small businesses (mom and pop shops) were takin' over by big corporations like: Walmart, Home Depot, Mickey D's, etc, etc. Once those corporations that were "made to fail" start closing for business, people will be left with no jobs, no homes, and no lives. No one else sees the big picture??? How this is going to unfold? The future looks bleak. Even bleaker, when you factor in the way they are turning us against each other. TPTB are goooooood at what they do.

Some people don't have the transportation, or the time. And the lazy aren't going to do that, either.
I know sloth is a sin, but should these people be slowly killed for that sin? My sister, bless her heart, has no idea how to cook. Her idea of cooking is to make a box of macaroni and cheese. It's a good thing I know how to cook, or else we'd never eat healthily.

And people in inner cities, or food deserts may not be able to purchase food from the farmer's market. They can't grow their own food if their backyard is pavement.

And about that whole Agenda 21 thing, I doubt there's anything that official. Just more of a panicked implementation of something, anything to get the population down without people noticing. Fertility rates are dropping too. You can thank BP, and Tepco, and all the sterility causing chemicals and radiation that mankind didn't have to deal with so much one hundred years ago.

Welcome to the future. It's gonna hurt.

You can wax on about how we should all go organic, but the sad truth is that you can't feed the current population with only organic. I guess now, it's more of a "Save yourself" type situation.