Okay, so I'm going to throw the current musings I have been chewing over - bearing in mind that this is in the nature of presenting some ideas, in the hope that I can find some equally open minded beings (human or other), to bounce off and brain storm, or chew over in the kind of a way you might discuss something sitting in some chairs over a coffee, with friendly interest. ? Keen? Read on...

I have read myself through quite the pile of Spiritual, ufo, consipiracy and Star People ancedotal stories and hearsays, which I all consider in the Court of the Azurecara, to be interesting enough to address.

#1 Ancient Alien theory. I have come to believe this idea has quite a bit of merit - based largely on it making a simple logical sense. Countless indigenous cultures have folklore, and oral history that largely indicates other worldly contact - not so much as having randomly began happening, but as been accredited to the birthplace of their people. "Ancestors" is the title they are afforded, as their Elders advise them "We come from the Stars". (ENCOUNTERS WITH STAR PEOPLE: Untold Stories of American Indians, by Ardy Sixkiller Clarke).

#2 Close Encounters. I could not count how many ancedotal articles, books, newspaper reports and odd offbeat stories and documentaries that have testified to strange unidentified craft being witnessed by masses of people. A significant portion of those that have come forward to report of their experiences, have further shared that they have had contact with non-human intelligences. When further asked, How? Why? Where? We get a variety of answers, some as bland as "to keep an eye on us", some "to save our planet", some to "save their own kind". Based on what I have read, I have to suggest there are a variety of 'beings' reported. Each with their own agenda.

#3 Mental Manipulation. Many of those reporting encounters go on to explain that communication was done largely via mental telepathy. Not only that, but that memory is tampered with, and beings can appear to shape-change. Paralyzing and rendering people unconscious. Most people beginning to remember their encounters, initially believe their experiences to be a series of repeating bad dreams, and there is still a dream like quality to their encounters. It also creates a huge loss of credibility, and can severely affect the mental processing of the experiences.

#4 Several reports speak of expressing religious doctrine to cease, halt or gain some measure of control back during their encounters. This plays in my head as something interesting in itself. Christianity speaks of non-human beings, i.e. Angels, and Demons, (and even talking snakes who teach us that eating apples is just plain wrong). However, there are other religions that speak of non-human beings, in the form of evil vs good.

#5 Legends and folklore all have their say of non-human intelligences, or beings. Paranormal tales are rife with strange examples of 'ghostly hauntings', and almost bizarre instances of time and space bending and behaving oddly. However, it can be said with certainty, odd encounters and experiences have been recorded by hundreds of thousands of people.


Okay, not buying it? Well this is a theoretical discussion ... I am telling you of what I have read - and for this discussion the bias is towards taking the body of information as a premise of possible happenings, and come up with an ideas as a whole.

Here is where I'm leaning towards At Present - until better or different ideas occur to me.

The spiritual philosophies I have read all speak of a realm beyond this physical life, that we ascend to - speaking of a higher vibrational rate of existence. And with the combination effects of the reported technology in use, and their ability to manipulate matter and mind at apparent Will (with rare exceptions), could it be therefore suggested that there are beings who can transverse between dimensions of physicality and the hereafter? If our transition beyond death is merely a change in the state of energy, and the 'invisible' dimension is exactly in the same physical space as this one, just vibrating at a different rate of knots to be thus rendered transparent to our physical senses? (most of them).

And if we take that as an idea, why not also that this 'dimension' be accessible to beings with advanced or superior technology to ours?

Also... other throw away ideas. Harmonics and Electro-Magnetic Technologies have been bandied about more than just a time or two in reference to non-human contact with the ufo pilots. If the other 'dimension' was more to do with vibrational energy rates, would not harmonic technology play a great part in disrupting dense physical matter to remove obstacle? Would a person's Bio-Electric-Magnetic Field play a huge part in the ability to manipulate us physically?

Okay, thank you for reading through my ramblings. If you have any alternate or different angles you might want to throw a curve ball in, please do. It's difficult to find similarly read people to bounce off possibilities with in my neck of suburbia.

Cheers!

From personal experience I have concluded most of this is in fact interdimensional or trans dimensional. Some of this is gleaned from experiences with my wife. I try and not to listen or at least completely buy into others ideas so as to find my own answers.

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Countless indigenous cultures have folklore,
contact with non-human intelligences.

The spiritual philosophies a higher vibrational rate of existence.

And if we take that as an idea, why not also that this 'dimension' be accessible to beings with advanced or superior technology to ours?


hi, thanks for the good read,,
i believe that, many ancient cultures did know about these other plains of existence,
and that for example the olmec used sacred plants as a source of wisdom,
and that their whole civilization, revolved around the ritual usage of hallucinogenics, this may sound absurd, but allmost every stone stelae and pictoglyph found in south america,
depicts some sort of flora that contain these alkaloids,,

4. he conjured it up outta nowhere. He literally said, “She came outta nowhere.” And so she did. If I hadn't looked up from my text to yell who knows. Maybe I wouldn't have been around to tell you this tale.
5. Hmmmm....hauntings. This is another thing I used to believe it but try very, very hard to NOT believe in now. Hauntings are dimensional rifts where things from a higher or lower vibration can filter through due to manifestation of belief. Most people who don't believe in ghosts never see them. When they do it's because an idea of it happening has been drilled into them. Probably from subliminals. I used to see a lot of strange things happening. I don't anymore because I don't wish too, as I did then. Maybe if I had understood such things as dimensional rifts, manifestation, and space/time as much then as I do know maybe I would have been swept away in a mothership a long time ago. As it is I think I'd like to stick around for awhile more...watch my kids grow up and maybe have a grandchild someday before I venture off into that unknown void known as death.


It was fun sharing my thoughts with you. And I enjoyed reading yours too.

I wrote so much it didn't fit in one box! Sorry!

Aside from my experiences, I heard something interesting the other day.
A white van man was overheard telling someone that he gets the chills when he has to deliver to Guys hospital. It turns out the lifts are random and the top floors have a strange atomosphere.
Apparentlyly he made a quip about aliens Doctors and said he caught a very wry smille from a Doctor paasing him in a lobby. He went on to say it was as if 'I had hit a nerve!'
... Just thought I'd mention it, although this is just hear say and nothing to do with me.

Our body and sensory organs are designed to function in the 3rd dimension, up and down, forward and backward, side to side. A 4th dimension interacts with the physical 3d world and that is time. The 5th dimension lays beyond the 4th, beyond time this is the astral world, where our soul goes when we die. Maybe the 5th is heaven and the 6th is hell, I dont know I have'nt been there yet.
Scientists are currently taking a serious look into multi dimensions to prove their existance, when they do it will be more of a rediscovery I think. I was recently reading Alister Crowleys Necronomicon that was published in the 1970's and the editor stated that a fellow researcher had E.T. contact while researching the manuscripts.

Here's my take on what's been created from the religion spell.

Our thoughts build reality. A rocket ship, a boat, a computer all began as thoughts and through channel will, we have created from our thoughts to build the world we relate to. Will Power goes where your energy flows. The various religious franchises seek members to build upon their belief system to charge their reality with the support of it's member's energy. When people of these various beliefs have a near death experience they sometimes will journey to that realm associated with their religion.

These religions have carved out a space in the astral territories supported by the realities they have agreed upon. The deception is in your submission and spiritual dis-empowerment by adopting a belief which places a construct between you and your Divine Source. The deception is a well veiled trap.

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Let me see if I'm understanding this correctly, from your point of view:

You believe that our technology is still yet too limited to be able to take an accurate measurement of the precise nature of the quantum world. Thus, all conclusions based in this field are overly bold, are poorly understood, and therefore lack credibility...

This is an interesting angle. I can give you that the field of Quantum research is still experimental and developing, but I can't agree to gross generalise all experiments as poorly understood, and overly bold in their conclusions.

I do like your point of view though, as it is fresh to me and at a polarity of insistence on the nature of reality as being only quantifiable through scientific measurement. This appears to imply that they can potentially exist in a state beyond the comprehension of your unenhanced 5 senses, but are not 'real' until proven to be so... In essence, so long as it can be proved to exist, it will exist.

However, if that were true, the experiments in quantum research should therefore confuse this issue significantly - as the results in many of these cases have been surprising. To counter this oddity, we erode the credibility of these results by reducing them as poorly understood? Here I must disagree. Perhaps the conclusions are not palatable, but hardly discreditable. I will say that further research is always needed.

I found this quote to be a fascinating weigh in on the nature of existence in regards to scientific measurements...

Kant and Schopenhauer both thought that the underlying reality from which we are screened off by the inconstant surface of our contingent and ephemeral experiences exist in itself, independent of minds, of perception or experience. The naive realist assumes that reality consists of perception and experience alone, and concludes it is possible to encompass it exhaustively in perception and experience and know it thoroughly.

The transcendental idealists like Kant and Schopenhauer realize that we perceive or experience or think only in categories that are determined by our own apparatus, yet whatever exists in itself cannot exist in the terms of those categories, because existence as such cannot be in categories at all. Therefore, in an unfathomable way, whatever exists independently of experience must be in and throughout its entire nature different from the world of our representations.

I realize that it is next to impossible not to take the world of representations as the world tout court, reality, what there is, the world as it is in itself. This is the common sense view of things, and only in reflection of a profound character can free us from it.

Most already think that whatever we perceive and conceive is something that exists in terms of sense-dependent and mind-dependent categories. This is a tautology, but the real question is whether there is anything else other than our perceptions and our conceptions. The realist says, yes, there is an independently existing world to which our perceptions and conceptions correspond. The Bishop Berkeley says there are only our perceptions and conceptions, and God's. Both Kant and Schopenhauer insist that our perceptions and conceptions cannot be all there is, yet, nor can they be 'like' what exist independently of them, then whatever else there is cannot consist of an independently existing world which corresponds to them. Since perceptions and conceptions constitute the limits of what we can envisage, we cannot form any notion of what there is besides.

The transcendental idealist's insistences are analytic truths, that the entire conception of the world is in mind-dependent categories and those categories couldn't possibly apply to anything independently of awareness. The realist thinks he hears the TI say "nothing has any existence independently of our minds." This myth is reinforced by the fact that TIs use terms like "empirical world" and "physical object" in accordance with their own presuppositions, not the empiricist's.

Therefore, there is no intelligible sense in which our system of the world can be said to be 'like' the world as it is in itself, because the former exists only in terms of mind-dependent and sense-dependent categories, and there are no other kinds of category in terms of which any comparison between those and the world could be made by us.

The comparison is impossible: categories are applicable only to experience, for they are forms of experience - they categorize perceptions, conceptions, and etcetera in consciousness or awareness. Consequently, that reality itself cannot be what we all grew up taking it to be, but that whatever it is independently of what we take it to be is something radically unconceptualizable by us, is an inescapable truth, but one that hasn't been grasped by realists.

Ok guys, sorry to bring the intelligence quotient of the thread seriously down here, but im very tired and its very late. But something that has always bugged me about the "wall drawings" that the ancients did that look like ets's is this. I know the sceptics will (rightly so) say that this is not proof that we have been visited by extra terrestrial beings but if they are not pics of et's then are we to assume that ancient man over all parts of the world woke up one morning and thought, "god im bored today, and theres nothing on telly, i think il make a random drawing of something that does not exist in my environment or my world".
THoughts?