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not really, you build the whole opinion on this assumption. Its not God's Will, however God knew it and choose not to interfere for a time to see who submits his/her free will to Him. The one's who dont, including 'the devil' will try to get more in their camp but Devil is not doing it for God and cant claim he is doing God's Will
So, anything that Lucifer does must be within God's Will, and if that is so, then it comes from God.
So in all the lamenting that the Christians do about what Satan is doing, who is worshipping Satan, etc; they rarely stop to think that it is actually their God that is doing it. The story of Moses chronicles that God HIMSELF hardened Pharaoh's heart which in turn brought devastating consequences upon his land. Satan was never mentioned once in that story, it was all God, playing games with the people. So, one must ask themselves, is Lucifer truly evil, or is it all a way to test your loyalty to Jehovah (which meansthe unchanging, eternal, self-existent God, which means he is still the same God that tortured Egypt)?
Lamentations 3:37-41 (New International Version) 37 Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? 39 Why should any living man complain when punished for his sins? 40 Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the LORD.
Originally posted by Daeobi
reply to post by logical7
You said that I build my whole opinion on an assumption, your Holy Book says it outright, take a look:
Lamentations 3:37-41 (New International Version) 37 Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? 39 Why should any living man complain when punished for his sins? 40 Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the LORD.
Another prime example of Christians only reading what they want to.
If we are made in the image of God, then God has a shadow-self too. As above, so below. Satan is an anthropomorphism of Gods shadow- self. Every archetype, every symbol, has a positive and a negative aspect.
Originally posted by rickymouse
The Devil is a deceiver. He tests us to see if we are worthy. He tempts us. He does not force us to do evil. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. This to me means that he is still under the control of god.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by BlueMule
If we are made in the image of God, then God has a shadow-self too. As above, so below. Satan is an anthropomorphism of Gods shadow- self. Every archetype, every symbol, has a positive and a negative aspect.
do you agree that what you said above may or may not be true? Based on your finite ability to comprehend any concept?
In short you are just throwing in an opinion.
If one wants to understand the religious assumptions their culture makes, one must look at other cultures and experience mysticism. One must be a comparativist and a mystic. It's the only way to gain panoramic, binocular depth of vision. Who on ATS is more qualified to have an opinion than me? NO ONE.
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by BlueMule
If one wants to understand the religious assumptions their culture makes, one must look at other cultures and experience mysticism. One must be a comparativist and a mystic. It's the only way to gain panoramic, binocular depth of vision. Who on ATS is more qualified to have an opinion than me? NO ONE.
WOW! Thats interesting. I dont know much but i am taught that more knowledge should bring more humility.
You also sound like any other "100% convinced" beings who think "My way is most superior."
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by BlueMule
If one wants to understand the religious assumptions their culture makes, one must look at other cultures and experience mysticism. One must be a comparativist and a mystic. It's the only way to gain panoramic, binocular depth of vision. Who on ATS is more qualified to have an opinion than me? NO ONE.
WOW! Thats interesting. I dont know much but i am taught that more knowledge should bring more humility.
You should also be taught to give the devil his due.
You also sound like any other "100% convinced" beings who think "My way is most superior."
Well, I predict that after studying for a decade to become a comparativist and after having more mystical and paranormal experiences than you can shake a stick at, you'll be singing a different tune.
But hey, whatever. Go ahead and dismiss scholarship and experience merely because it provides a better perspective than the ignorance of the uninitiated, the fundamentalists, and the paranoid.
Originally posted by BlueMule
An opinion in contrast to the kindergarten, exoteric, Sunday School, orthodox, mainstream, conservative, oversimplified opinions that pervade ATS. I'm sick and tired of kindergarten exegesis. I'm sick of hearing Satan this, NWO that, heresy this, illuminati that, freemasonry this. It's pathetic.
An opinion based on years of studying comparative religion, comparative mythology, comparative mysticism, analytical psychology, and based on actually having classic mystical experiences myself. If one wants to understand the religious assumptions their culture makes, one must look at other cultures and experience mysticism. One must be a comparativist and a mystic. It's the only way to gain panoramic, binocular depth of vision. Who on ATS is more qualified to have an opinion than me? NO ONE.
'I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.'
-Isaiah 45:7
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