How do you count dimensions?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by spy66

 

The Atomic Clock does not slow down...TIME...slows down for the Shuttle Astronauts.

You are confusing the reality of Time being percieved as a constant with the rate of passage of Time dependent upon velocity and distance froma Gravity well.

I would suggest you look at Einstiens....Relativity and General Realativity to get the whole picture.

Split Infinity

The Atomic Clock does not slow down...TIME...slows down for the Shuttle Astronauts.

This is not possible. How can speed physically effect people but not the clock?

- How does speed physically effect human tissue but not the atoms? Or the clock that they fallow?

What time is it you are refering that is slowing down?

reply to post by spy66


It has been POVEN and you can look this experiment up we are talking about as it has been performed several times aboard various U.S. and Russian Space Craft.

Einstein theorized it's existence and called it Time Dilation.

It is VERY REAL AND VERY POSSIBLE.

The faster and furthur away one travels from the Earths Gravity well...the slower time will pass for that person. They will percieve times passage as if it were a constant but since Time is Relative...the faster and further away from earth they traveled....the greater amount of time differential would exist as although the traveler may only experience and age one year...over 10 may pass on earth when they got back after a year of Atomic Clock calculated time passage...and their bodies would age a year but people on Earth would age 10 years.

This is a PROVEN FACT>

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity

The faster and furthur away one travels from the Earths Gravity well...the slower time will pass for that person. They will percieve times passage as if it were a constant but since Time is Relative...the faster and further away from earth they traveled....the greater amount of time differential would exist as although the traveler may only experience and age one year...over 10 may pass on earth when they got back after a year of Atomic Clock calculated time passage...and their bodies would age a year but people on Earth would age 10 years.

What you are saying here is still wrong. As long as you talk about speed and distence covered. There are no changes. Because you would have to use the same equation on the way back. Add them up and you will see equal time spent on earth as the people have spent in space.

Time must also change as you get closer to earth gravity well. Add that up and you will se no time difference.

What age you gain on your way from earth. Will be compensate for on the way back . If what you say is a fact.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Time and space are imagined because you will never escape now. All time is projected from now (in imagination). If there is no time - there is also no space.

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When distance is implied time is implied also. Both imagined into being.
It is all about from here to somewhere else but when you get somewhere else you find yourself here.

The multiverse is one big fractal party, and the further you get from your own center, the more dances you'll see happening. That's it. Think about the oroborous. The ancient symbol of the snake eating its own tale. It's all just a laughable illusion. We spend our lives breaking our own backs trying to tote bricks for the city of children we never pause to concieve. Know how many dimensions there really are? 2. 2 is it. Yeah 2 is all you need. Just 2.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Time and space are imagined because you will never escape now. All time is projected from now (in imagination). If there is no time - there is also no space.

edit on 3-2-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

When distance is implied time is implied also. Both imagined into being.
It is all about from here to somewhere else but when you get somewhere else you find yourself here.

edit on 3-2-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

That is true. You are always at present location no matter what time it is.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by spy66

 

It has been POVEN

Couldn't resist, how do you poof something Split?


Great discussion going on here. Flag the thread. Anyone who played Unreal Tournament??

CAPTJER THE FLAG.

How would you explain the concept of height to a "Flatlander" if you could not use ANY term that expresses the concept of height? And how can a "Flatlander" intellectualize the concept of Height, with flatland knowledge, flatland mind, and flatland communication?

A "Flatlander's" concept of the 3rd dimension could NEVER be close to reality. Instead, it could only be a modified Flatlander concept.

The same applies to a 3D person, their concept of 2nd and 4th dimensions, etc.. can ONLY be modified 3D concepts.

So if a person knows of the higher "dimensions" , and attempts to describe it to you, you will only understand his words in 3d conceptualized terms.. So regardless of the legitimacy of your question, it is impossible to answer in non-3D concepts and non 3D communication.

We can not possibly form a correct concept of a Flatlander existence, because we have no way of experiencing it. All we can do is describe it, but it wouldn't be close to true. The same applies to "higher" dimensions.


To understand your question, you're going to have to dig much deeper in this Universe.

reply to post by Visitor2012


We have no way of knowing, but yet here you are describing to us exactly how a flatlander precieves he's dimesnion.

How did yu come to know of this?

By imagination. That is how you have been told to view the flatlanders preseption of 2d.

That is how we learn. What prevents a flatlander to do the same about 3D?

I see 3D, and infinite frequencies, like channels. I don't add another angle to it, though our souls go in all directions infinitely, so to speak. We're on 98.5 FM as a metaphor. Now if one thinks in terms of dimensions with infinite channels, I'd say each one is a universe, density or realm. It would have its own types of laws or rules like a completely different experience/school perhaps.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Visitor2012

 

We have no way of knowing, but yet here you are describing to us exactly how a flatlander precieves he's dimesnion.

How did yu come to know of this?

By imagination. That is how you have been told to view the flatlanders preseption of 2d.

That is how we learn. What prevents a flatlander to do the same about 3D?

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You have to read more carefully. I never described how a Flatlander perceives his dimension. I said that whatever he conceives as the 3rd dimension can never be close to the truth. Nor can we describe the perception of a Flatlander.

So even my understanding of Flatland is impossible, because I can not perceive a flatland without Height.
Nor can a Flatlander perceive 3D with height.

Just like the 4D cube "tesseract" , it is impossible to perceive in non 3-D terms. Impossible to imagine a 4D object in front of you. The best we can do is see the shadow of a 4D cube..or a 2D image on a computer screen..hardly a substitute for real thing wouldn't you agree?
And a shadow of a 4D cube, doesn't come remotely close in communicating what the 4th dimension is.

I am saying that to dialog about a perception higher and more encompassing than your own, is pointless. This applies to everyone. Concepts and 3rd dimensional understanding is not sufficient. All of the knowledge formed from a 3rd dimension perception is of no use, because the concept of Time, space and form, can not go there.

Do you know how to communicate without needing the concepts of Time, Space and form? Is there a language void of these? A separate dictionary of words, void of the reliance of Time, Space and Form? If you know of one, please tell.

reply to post by Angle


I attemped to either prove or dispove something using the Scientific Method.

As far as this issue...it has been proven in the same way by both NASA and the Russians.

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


What can 4D be but a layer inside of 3D?

Just a thought.

Parallel existence maybe?

reply to post by Angle


The Fourth Dimension is usually refered to as Time although there is no real order of listed Dimensionality.

Some people think we live in a 3 Dimensional Universe but since an Atom cannot exist without the Movement of an Electron Orbital Field....4-D or TIME must be present with the 3 other dimensions.

Still...this is not enough as Electrons, Photons, Quarks, Glueons, Mesons, Leptons...etc...which are all Quantum Particle/Wave Forms must have at a Minimum 10 or 11 Dimensional States for them to exist as both particle and wave as well as completely make up everything that is a Proton or Neutron.

There are probably even MORE than just 10 or 11 but that is where we are at now and since Photons and Electrons can exist and have duel function as well as a Photons ability to CHOOSE whether to travel through one or BOTH slits...as it does and one can see in the Double Slit experiment...just looking at our Universe as just ONE or just 3 or 4-D is a very simple unrealistic way to veiw things.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Visitor2012


The concept of Flatland has always been a pet peave of mine as it is IMPOSSIBLE for a 2 Dimensional Life Form to exist and even if this was possible...a 2 dimensional life form would not consist of an Matter or Energy since neither of these things can exist in a 3 Dimensional State.

I have also listen to those that give the incorrect example of looking at a 2 Dimensional object. Again...an OBJECT cannot exist in only 2 Dimensional States...as well as it is not possible for a 2 Dimensional object or state to mannifest itself or exist in our Minimum 10 or 11 Dimensional Universal State.

Think of it...neither Matter nor energy can exist in only 2 Dimensions...thus what could none look at or how could this exist?

Split Infinity

Reality encompasses all dimensions.