My Catholic Bible tells me....the vatican is the great harlot?

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


that post you made makes me feel like the vatican really is the great harlot,
because they seem to incorporate mystery religions and pagan things into their rituals and beliefs, artwork and etc.

reply to post by milkyway12

It's common knowledge that the Harlot or Whore is a religious system.

Its common knowledge that the whore is a city.
A city that has the blood of holy men.
Only Jerusalem is accused of having spilled the blood of holy men.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Babylon is most likely Rome. The seven heads of the beast are most likely seven kings that submit to the Anti Christ, and the harlot which is riding the beast is most likely a false religion / church that gives the Anti Christ power. The 10 horns are most likely nations.

However, in revelations 14, we see mountains can also mean hills, but mountains can also refer to kingdoms.

Mecca, in Saudi Arabia also has seven hills, and they just as much blood on their hands as the inquisition, actually they put the inquisition to shame. Hmm.

This is recited when the Tiara is placed on the popes head:

“Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that thou art Father of princes and kings,
Ruler of the world, Vicar of our Savior Jesus Christ.”

reply to post by milkyway12


Which city did Jesus accuse of having spilled the blood of the holy men and saints?

The answer to this question biblically identifies the whore.

It seems many Christians don't want Jerusalem to be the whore.

Mecca, in Saudi Arabia also has seven hills.

A lot of cities have 7 hills. The key is to identifying the whore is to name the city which Jesus said had spilled the blood of holy men.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you!"

Originally posted by Belcastro
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

 

that post you made makes me feel like the vatican really is the great harlot,
because they seem to incorporate mystery religions and pagan things into their rituals and beliefs, artwork and etc.

They fulfill all 20 or so descriptions given of them in Revelation and Daniel, they are pointed out to the the anti-Christ by every major protestant reformer.

If you read the people who have escaped out of the illuminati, people like Svali, Doc Marquis, Mauri (author of 'Vatican Ratlines: The Vatican the Nazis and the New World World) they all talk about how the Vatican are intimately interwoven with the Illuminati and Satanism at the highest levels (it is even talked about by Catholic Jesuit Malachi Martin in his book Windswept house) as well as Jesse Lavey, the first son of Anton Lavey, who escaped from Satanism and became a protestant minister.

What do we find out from investigative journalist who where given access to CIA and NATO achieves in the 1990's...

...the ugliest secret of World War II: the bloody circle of Western money laundered through Switzerland to the Third Reich, then out through the Vatican Bank to South America, and then finally back to the original owners in Germany. The entire, corrupt system was established for the profit of a few pro-Nazi Western investors, and to ensure that the Vatican Bank would keep the ledgers of St Peter's balanced no matter who won World War II...
...the moral is that you can get away with murder, if you are rich enough. In the end the Nazis - with the help of their Western and Vatican collaborators - got away with it.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. xv

Where in 1991 we found 'no direct evidence that the Vatican profited from the property stolen from the Nazis' victims, in 1997 we find that on the balance of probabilities, and taking into account the additional evidence that has since emerged, there was no other reason than profit for this enterprise.
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...the bulk of the stolen Nazi money was laundered from Switzerland through the one bank that can never be audited. The trail of Nazi money leads to the one financial institution with total diplomatic immunity: The Vatican Bank
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 288-289

The Nazi looting of the wealth of nations was one of the most documented crimes in history. National treasuries were seized, art-works stolen; tens of billions of dollars' worth of gems and currency vanished forever. But Half a century later, we are only beginning to ask the crucial question: Where did all that money go?
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The current generation of Zurich bankers is not alone in knowing the key role played by the Vatican in laundering the Nazis' money. Many others in the world of international finance in the late 1990's also understand how these events in the early decades of this century connect directly to the Holy See and the Nazis' stolen treasure.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 289-290

ect ect....

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This is what the fanatical Catholic of the Croatian Ustashi did to Orthodox Christians during WW2 with the blessing of the Vatican.

Prebilovci was surrounded on the night of August 4, 1941, by some 3,000 “Ustashi” made up of the village’s Muslim and Croat neighbours. Expecting the attack, the townsfolk had fled to the hills on the night of August 3, but at dawn the women and children returned to their homes only to be either captured and herded into the elementary school or killed in their homes. Atrocities began in the villages including the killing of 50 infants who were swung by their legs so that their heads could be dashed against the school wall. There was continuous rape of the young girls there, and at other locations. On August 6, 150 “Ustasha” under Ivan Jovanovic (”Blacky”) were joined by another 400 “Ustasha” from Capljina, and took the prisoners in rail cattle-cars to Vranac, some 500 to 1,000m from the Golubinks pit, one of many such natural, near-vertical cave formations in the region.

There the 550 “Ustasha” took small groups of prisoners to the pit and, family-by-family pushed them into it. The initial vertical fall was some 27m, followed by a 100m steep slope to the base of the pit. Small children were thrown up into the air before falling into the pit. One woman is known to have given birth as she fell into the pit. The newborn infant died with her under the crush of bodies.
source:Warning very graphic imagery

To comprehend the full extent of that collaboration, one must read the Croatian Catholic press, the "Katolicki Tjednik", the "Katolick List", the "Hrvatski Narod," and so many other publications which vied with each other in flattering the bloody "Poglavnik" [Ante Pavelić], Pius XII was so pleased that he was a "practicing Catholic", and the high esteem of the Sovereign Pontiff embraced even the accomplices of the great man.

The "Osservatore Romano" informs us that, on the 22nd of July 1941, the pope received one hundred members of the Croatian Security Police, led by the chief of Zagreb's police, Eugen Kvaternik-Dido. This group of Croatian S.S., the pick of the executioners and tortuers operating in the concerntration camps, were presented to the Holy-Father by one who perpetrated crimes so monstrous that his own mother committed suicide in despair.

The goodwill of His Holiness Pius XII is easily explained by the apostalic seal of these killers. Another "practicing Catholic," Mile Budak, minister for Worship, exclaimed in August 1941, at Karlovac: "The Oustachi movement is based on religion. All our world rests on our loyalty to religion and the Catholic Church."

-Cf. Herve Lauriere: "Assassins in the Name of God," (Ed. Dufour, Paris 1951, p.97)


Besides, on the 22nd of July, at Gospic, the same minster for Worship had perfectly defined this work: "We will kill some Serbians, deport others, and the rest will be complelled to embrace the Roman Catholic religion."

-"L'Ordre de Paris," 8th of February 1947

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


I'll ask you as well...
Which city did Jesus accuse of having spilled the blood of the holy men and saints?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Pretty much every Nation has killed holy men and Saints ... Also Jerusalem cannot be the Harlot in revelations. They turn back to God, and God no longer hides his face from them.

The Bible tells you to flee from Babylon, come out of her my people and let Jerusalem always be on your heart.

Jerusalem was forgiven and restored. Babylon would be destroyed that it existed no more. Nullifying much of revelations.

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Jerusalem cannot biblically be the harlot in revelations.

reply to post by milkyway12

Pretty much every Nation has killed holy men and Saints ...

That does not invalidate the fact that Jesus himself accused Jerusalem of having spilled the blood of saints and holy men. This is the same crime that even the whore (revealed to be a city) is accused of.

Another piece of evidence is Revelations 11:8

...the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

So where was the man Christians call "Lord" crucified? Answer this and you have found the identity of the whore.

Also, some of you might find this link useful.

Jerusalem as Sodom and Egypt

That identification is pretty clear: Sodom—Egypt—Jerusalem, all in one hand, each describing the other. God is giving evidence here to solve the identity of the prostitute by comparing Israel to Sodom and Egypt. Sodom is noted in all of the history of mankind for its sexual sins, and Egypt is known to all biblical students of a harsh and exacting slavery of the Israelitish people.

These two stunning and dramatic comparisons are of Israel's immoral characteristics, so why not compare Israel to Babylon? He has already compared Israel to Sodom and Egypt. Could it get any worse? None of those is a beautiful comparison. Every one of them is putting Jerusalem and Israel on the spiritual and moral level that they deserve—to be compared to Sodom and to Egypt. God reserved His harshest judgments for those who should know better but waste their gifts in prideful self-indulgence.

reply to post by milkyway12

Jerusalem was forgiven and restored.

Apprently, the only thing that has been restored in the holy land is Sodom.
Because Israel happens to be a hub for gay tourism. Look up Tel Aviv gay parades. Also, Israel has legalized prostitution and the sex trade makes $ 2 billion annually. wiki

All this in the "holy land". Not to mention, nearly 30% of Israel happens to be atheist or secular.

No Bible prophecy tells us that Israel was to restored as the secular, gay destination it is today. You are delusional if you think otherwise.

@OP

If you don't mind, I'm going to post a link to a thread I had authored sometime back.


Is modern Israel a parallel to the anti-christ?

Considering how the anti-christ appears before the true christ...and decieves people into thinking that he is the true christ....
Is the modern state of Israel a false Israel that has appeared ahead of the real Israel and is currently decieving people into thinking that it is the real Israel, as prophecized in the bible?

Also considering how the false christ will be defeated militarily by the returning true Christ...
Will this false Israel also be defeated militarily and rebuilt as a righteous nation...by an act of God, through God fearing men... as opposed to godless politicians using their power who established the modern Israel.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Please continue reading after that? The witnesses are killed by the Anti Christ, and they are resurrected, and 10th of the city fell. 7000 people died and the rest gave glory to God because they were afraid. The Jewish people are forgiven and God is blessing them.

After this, the Arch of the covenant was revealed in heaven and signs began to show in the heavens that the people in Israel should flee he land. Then Satan is thrown down. He then persecuted Israel.

You also have Zechariah 14:2 which says half the city of Jerusalem will go into captivity and the other half shall not be cut off from the city. Jerusalem cannot be the Harlot in revelations, they have been forgiven for their atrocities in Eziekel

My people shall dwell in Jerusalem safely inhabited, after he throws a plague upon all those who fought against Jerusalem.

Read all of Zechariah 14.

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Babylon is utterly destroyed and it shall never be again.

reply to post by milkyway12

they have been forgiven for their atrocities in Eziekel

And condemned again by Jesus.
And as long as sexual sins and evil takes place in Jerusalem, they will remain condemned.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


They have not been condemned. Read Zechariah 14 ..... Jerusalem will not be destroyed, nor will the Jews.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


you're confused...read some more....this time note who changed the law and the times....be more scripture backed...

reply to post by GBP/JPY

you're confused...read some more....this time note who changed the law and the times....be more scripture backed...

My participation on this thread has been scripture based. Read my first post in the thread.

You don't want Jerusalem to be the whore, for whatever reason. But scripture shows that Jerusalem is the whore.... because the Bible records it as having spilled the blood of the holy men.
A lot of folks here don't seem to want to address that. I wonder why.

Jerusalem rejected the Messiah..... and therefore will end up accepting the anti-christ.
The whore / Jerusalem rides the first beast... and later its "horns" devour her and burn her with fire.

reply to post by milkyway12

They have not been condemned. Read Zechariah 14 ..... Jerusalem will not be destroyed, nor will the Jews.

Only a third of Israel will remain...
And Jerusalem will be destroyed... which is why we have "the new Jerusalem".

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


You cannot have a " New Jerusalem " if Babylon is utterly destroyed to never exist again, which you say is Jerusalem.

Babylon is not Jerusalem. You ignore much of the Bible off one verse that uses an analogy. Which the Bible is full of. The Jews turn back to their traditions in revelations.

Zech. 8:2-3: “Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'I am zealous for Zion with great zeal; with great fervor I am zealous for her.' “Thus says the LORD: 'I will return to Zion, and dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, the Mountain of the LORD of hosts, the Holy Mountain.'

Again, your guess is being refuted, clearly, with entire chapters.

reply to post by milkyway12

The Jews turn back to their traditions in revelations.

Can you be a little more specific and back these claims with verses?

Also, the fact that we have a "New" Jerusalem, means the old one was taken down.
The whore = the great city which is utterly destroyed.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


You ignoring the rest of the prophecy about Babylon.

Joel 2:32: “And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the remnant whom the LORD calls.

Isa. 27:12-13: “And it shall come to pass in that day that the LORD will thresh, from the channel of the River to the Brook of Egypt; and you will be gathered one by one, O you children of Israel. So it shall be in that day: the great trumpet will be blown; they will come, who are about to perish in the land of Assyria, and they who are outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.”

The NEW Jerusalem does not come down until after the the millennium reign.

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THIS COMES AFTER THE REIGN, according to revelations.

Gal. 4:25-26 “for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb. 12:22-24 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.”

Rev 21:2 “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Rev 21:10-14 “And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west. Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”