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Originally posted by region331
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Would you be getting anything different if you remain with a private healthcare model?
What I mean by that is, don't the insurance companies play the same game (death panels). Insurance premium increase = subsidies.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
When it is a govt bureaucracy, not only will they be deciding what they will pay for, they will be deciding whether you can even have it.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Good lord! I don't believe in State Capitalism either. That is what you keep mistaking for Socialism. State Capitalism is what the USSR was, what China is, what Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were... it is horrible.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Don't condescend to me. Those are the original meanings of Libertarian and Socialism, it isn't my fault some idiots hi-jacked the words way back when nor is my fault some idiots now continue on with it. What in that wiki you linked lends you to go off on yet another tangent about in which you replace the words State Capitalism with Socialism? Anti-State.... hello?
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Don't condescend to me. Those are the original meanings of Libertarian and Socialism, it isn't my fault some idiots hi-jacked the words way back when nor is my fault some idiots now continue on with it. What in that wiki you linked lends you to go off on yet another tangent about in which you replace the words State Capitalism with Socialism? Anti-State.... hello?
Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterise the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth.
Originally posted by neo96
LOL
Well you can't rob from the rich and give to the poor(spread the wealth) without using the state. The state decides who to target who to take from and give to who are deemed to be worthy.
Originally posted by region331
Originally posted by neo96
LOL
Well you can't rob from the rich and give to the poor(spread the wealth) without using the state. The state decides who to target who to take from and give to who are deemed to be worthy.
Sort of like Sullas Proscriptions? Well ..... without involving the poor.
You just said you called it State Capitalism and even asked me to join you.
What you are really advocating
whereby there is no real private property
but everyone is real nice and gives it up on their own for the collective.
Because the truth is that something like the Soviet Union or People's Republic of China is what you will get, not a happy place where everyone just willingly gives up their property and pretends they own something.
The goal of all Socialist systems is to abolish private property, no matter how pretty you might try and make it sound.
AND OF THE NUCLEAR FAMILY.
Our Founding Fathers were the closest to real LIbertarianism we will ever get. And DONT EVER FORGET IT.
You're right Noam Chomsky and HIS Buddies hijacked the term Libertarianism and added Socialism to fool the people into believing the two can coexist naturally.
Etymology
The word stems from the French word libertaire. The use of the word "libertarian" to describe a set of political positions can be tracked to the French cognate, libertaire, which was coined in 1857 by French anarchist Joseph Déjacque who used the term to distinguish his libertarian communist approach from the mutualism advocated by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.[11] Hence libertarian has been used by some as a synonym for left anarchism since the 1890s.[12] The term libertarianism is commonly considered to be a synonym of anarchism in countries other than the US.[9] Albert Jay Nock and H.L. Mencken were the first prominent conservatives in the US to call themselves "libertarians," which they used to signify their allegiance to individualism and limited government, feeling that Franklin D. Roosevelt had co-opted the word "liberal" for his New Deal policies, which they opposed.[13]
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Obamacare law states that EVERYONE HAS to buy health insurance whether they want it or not, or be penalized by the IRS through tax collection. This is draconian and force. Also, the only step further would be single payer(like SS or Medicare where there are deductions taken from your paycheck whether you are using it or not).
Do you have automatic deductions from your paycheck to pay for healthcare? Because a Socialist system means that someone has to pay, that is forced redistribution of income for the benefit of others. I am guessing that you have high taxes withheld and think that the govt is just paying for all your stuff, but you are the govt and you pay.
Originally posted by FreedomEntered
reply to post by region331
Oh please, donald trumps wife said the best thing to invest in is pharmaceuticals. Honestly, the medical, hospicals etc industry is thriving . Expensive treatments need funding and usually they are raised, when poorer folk are ill. They raise the money in the UK, and usually get it.