posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 06:18 PM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
You just said you called it State Capitalism and even asked me to join you.
I think I misunderstood what you said in the post I was responding to, sorry. I was thinking you had finally used the proper term (State Capitalism)
for what you have been condemning all this time as Socialism. I've been at this all day because I'm home sick with the flu and I don't really watch
much TV. It might be nap time
What you are really advocating
I'm not advocating anything. That is the ideology I find myself most closely identifying with and my insisting on correct definitions is simply
And I'm happy to correct you on the following...
whereby there is no real private property
Clearly there is. Worker ownership. Ownership has a definition does it not? Private property also has a definition doesn't it?
but everyone is real nice and gives it up on their own for the collective.
Now your trying to patronize me and make me appear to be all flowery and Utopian. I assure you, I hold no such notion of utopia. Being responsible
unto yourself and for your family is damn hard work.
Because the truth is that something like the Soviet Union or People's Republic of China is what you will get, not a happy place where everyone just
willingly gives up their property and pretends they own something.
Surrendering to the State is a bad idea any transition period from private to worker is doomed to fail. Once the State has the power it will not
relinquish it. Modern Socialists know this. Socialists back then knew it too, you should read some of the debates. Ultimately, sadly it is the people
who gave up and traded Liberty for Comfort. I guess that is why I don't advocate for armed or violent Revolution. I don't see a people willing to give
up comfort and to be quite honest I have to admit that I would sacrifice anything and everything if my child were starving or hurt, that's where they
always get us. So I vote for Liberty as much as I can, I talk about things I feel deprive people of Liberty, Capitalism being one of those things...
and hope that with every election I see more choices for Liberty, seems the opposite though.
The goal of all Socialist systems is to abolish private property, no matter how pretty you might try and make it sound.
No, that is the goal of the State.
AND OF THE NUCLEAR FAMILY.
Interesting... what Liberty minded person defines 'family'?
Our Founding Fathers were the closest to real LIbertarianism we will ever get. And DONT EVER FORGET IT.
You're getting a little scary there lady.
You're right Noam Chomsky and HIS Buddies hijacked the term Libertarianism and added Socialism to fool the people into believing the two can coexist
The word stems from the French word libertaire. The use of the word "libertarian" to describe a set of political positions can be tracked to the
French cognate, libertaire, which was coined in 1857 by French anarchist Joseph Déjacque who used the term to distinguish his libertarian communist
approach from the mutualism advocated by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Hence libertarian has been used by some as a synonym for left anarchism since the
1890s. The term libertarianism is commonly considered to be a synonym of anarchism in countries other than the US. Albert Jay Nock and H.L.
Mencken were the first prominent conservatives in the US to call themselves "libertarians," which they used to signify their allegiance to
individualism and limited government, feeling that Franklin D. Roosevelt had co-opted the word "liberal" for his New Deal policies, which they
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