Pastor to waitress: I GIVE GOD 10% WHY SHOULD I GIVE YOU 18%?

Great example! Become a pastor so you don't have to pay service fees.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


thank you, I edited my post to include that it was a woman, not man.

reply to post by Tuttle


Tipping is NOT corruption.

Corruption in its true sense means depriving one's employer, employees and suppliers of their rightful earnings for one's personal self gain.

In the service industry, regardless if you as a consumer give or do not give tips, you still get what you paid for which no human can argue or sue. Smiles and better service is a bonus, and comes way above and beyond the standard business transaction models agreed upon, even prostitution services if those want to find extremities.

As for other industries such as health, etc, do take note that whatever service charges HAD ALREADY been included in what you paid for, which is why their charges are different. Talk to a specialist doctor and you will find that he will spend more time with you and you pay high fees. Talk to a community doctor, and you will get reffered to a nurse..

And tips are NEVER mandatory. It is only mandatory when a greedy restaurant imposes such, over and above what had been commercially agreed upon, and a suicide mission in the competitive world.

As mentioned, tipping encourages the staff, gives them confidence to be better and will only improve the industry further. It is only a few cents or dollars, and only upon those whom can spare to SHARE and make the world a better place, by helping others.

What's really sad is that so many people stiff their waitpersons that anyone would have to add 18% to ensure their staff gets paid. I'm a good tipper and when I go out it's all part of what I expect to pay for a good meal out.
As for the pastor
Why insult the waitress for a company policy she didn't make?
You'd think he'd be happy to help a poor working girl pay her bills.
Ever met a pastor that didn't get TONS of free meals?

Worked my way through college waiting tables. It's a tough job and I think everyone ought to do it at some point of their lives. The 18% was added on because the pastor had a party of about 18-20 I believe. It also listed the large party gratuity on the menus, signs, etc. Not exactly a secret. So the pastor had them divide it into separate checks, but the computer treats it as what it is - a large party and added the gratuity.

BTW - the IRS now requires that waitstaff pay taxes on a minimum of 8% of their food sales. So if you have a $100 bill and stiff the waiter, he's still paying taxes on the imaginary IRS calculated 8% tip.

That said, when I was a waitress I HATED large church groups. They'd run you around all evening, then leave $1.14 in change on the table when the service was good. Easter Sunday was the worst! (Working at Bill Knapps in Michigan) Almost all large parties coming in after church. And I was "tipped" those silly little New Testament books. Had 12 of them by the end of my all day shift. Gee, thanks! That will really fill my gas tank!

We dine out occasionally, normally with our kids, including my autistic son - who behaves well in restaurants but he can be hard to understand when he's ordering. Treat my kids well and give him time to get the order correct, treat him like a human and give him a few seconds to get out "thank you" and I have tipped 100% of the bill. Normally we tip 20-25% because we know how hard the job is. 10% if it's a lousy job that is server based (rather than a kitchen problem).

reply to post by Mountainmeg


Yup I worked in Frankenmuth so I know a little about slinging food. Truth sometimes is ugly

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Tipping is NOT corruption.

Never said that it was.

However it would be if if they are not declaring the income to the IRS. Which lets be realistic here, very few waitresses actualy will, its cash in hand. I have no problem with that, it is what it is.

To be honest I do not really understand what the problem is here.

Small diners, small cafes etc, sure i'll leave some change as a tip, but lets get one thing clear here, in the UK we pay 20% VAT, I would point blank refuse to pay 20% for a service tax. I have pretty much just doubled the cost of a meal. Restaurants will go out of business very quickly with that sort of scheme.

Back to the point though, the idea of tipping however is not generated out of some ideal of natural altruism found in people it is created SO CORPORATIONS CAN CONTINUE TO PAY CRAP WAGES. And to make up the difference, force the already paying customer to make up the rest. Now I do not know how it works in America, but unless you leave cash on the table, decide to pay by debit card and add a service tax THE SERVER DOES NOT SEE THAT MONEY IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE COMPANY IT IS A CON.

And with a multi million dollar corporation like Applebys, an 18% service tax is a con, plain and simple. They have assets of half a billion dollars and operating incomes in the hundreds of millions, im pretty sure they can afford to pay there staff better. This isnt some mom an pops outfit, this is giant mega corporation, harvesting revenue as cost effectively as possible, screw them.

You know I had someone working in a grocery store the other, and this guy must have spent around 30 minutes looking for something, going into storerooms moving boxes, even used a forklift at point to get something I had asked him for.

Did I tip him?, nope.

Can you explain why I did not tip him?, he is working harder than someone bringing out trays off food. Doesnt he deserve a tip for all his hard work?, no he does not. Because he is not part of the artificial idea that people should pay a service tax in order to allow corporations to pay there workers like slaves.

What about my postman?, should I tip him?, that guy walks miles every day in all weather, rain, sleet, snow to deliver my mail and parcels, wheres his tip?.

What about airlines pilots?, doctors?, policemen and firemen? WHERES MY TIPS???

Why are you such a hypocrite?

Yep, tipped workers pay the IRS. That is what that 2.13/hr check goes towards. And at the end of the year, they may have to write a check to the IRS. What they earn is what you leave as a tip, period.

Will there be eventual changes like the employer paying more per hour? Maybe, but only when enough servers have said enough of this and quit, thus placing the restaurant owner in a bind. Or the restaurant just one day closes because it could not retain the workers needed to keep the business afloat. Of course being short staffed causes poor service and makes the current customer unlikely to return for future business.

Many places have opted for the communal tip jar approach with a higher base pay per hour. But that doesn't work very well in traditional restaurants. So basically the future of the restaurant is in the hands of the customer. If you don't tip, the place might not be there the next time you want to go. Or at best, the service will be lousy.

Me personally, I won't be delivering pizzas and beer next school year due to the poor tipping done this year. And if the college students thought that giving a few bucks to me was expensive, wait until they see the bill from the friendly police officer nabbing them for DUI...but you don't have to tip them.

Have we already exhausted the moral implications of this pastor's behavior?

"It's not what she said, it's how she said it!"

I find it very hard to believe that her little receipt trick was the best way to handle the situation. All things considered, I hope her congregation goes down. Call it a lesson from the Lawd, cutting down on donations and respect.

reply to post by Tuttle


Actually Applebee's is owned by IHOP (International House of Pancakes), which changed their name to DineEquity. Which seems like a good purchase, as both have over priced menus for the meals they provide and tend to be over staffed which also raises the price.

reply to post by Tuttle


if 10 dollars get split between two people, those two people will spend there 5 dollars differently based on individual needs thus spreading out the money helping make the economy more diverse, which will benefit the economy as a whole which will benefit the people within the economy. so yes tipping does help you just got to look at the big picture.

and special treatment and kickbacks can be corrupt on a corporate level, im talking about, you go into your local pub and the tender of whom you always tip when you can, sees you and he or she may just buy you a drink from the tips they made that day, or give you some extra bar food because they made to much for a previous order. its called helping out your fellow human being and it rolls both ways, you should try it some time

and fake moralists like yourself will probably tell me thats what makes the world go round.

fake moralist?? i would like to her the exact definition of that, never heard it before. and simple acts of kindness and humble gratitude do make the world go round. you Wiley if you think i would pay a robot anything. you are just reaching now.

reply to post by Ahabstar


But why is it people believe the paying customer should pay the wages off the staff to cover the corrupt business practices of a corporation?, I cannot fathom such a reality.

fake moralist?? i would like to her the exact definition of that

Hypocrite would be pretty close I guess.

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double post

reply to post by Neopan100


You got that right

Originally posted by Tuttle
reply to post by Ahabstar

 

But why is it people believe the paying customer should pay the wages off the staff to cover the corrupt business practices of a corporation?

The employer could opt to pay full wages to their employees but the customer would still pay for it because the cost of the food would go up. The way the system is currently set up, it keeps the cost of food lower and allows the customer to decide the pay of the waitstaff based upon performance. The tip system is also set up to encourage excellence in service by the waitstaff.

As the consumer, the benefit of tipping is that you have a say in the pay of the waitstaff based (presumably) on the quality of service provided. Whereas if the restaurant pays a full wage to the waitstaff and, as a result, raises the price of the food, then we the consumer are paying a set rate for the service regardless of the quality of that service.

reply to post by Juggernog

Restaurant owners should just pay waitresses better and all this tip bs can be avoided.

I agree.

Tipping is a loophole that allows restaurants to get around minimum wage laws.

They keep the menu prices low, because they don't have to pay their workers extra money.

But you end up paying the extra amount because of the societal pressure to tip.

I mean, if you are going to make tipping a societal mandatory, then these waiters and waitresses should just be paid minimum wage, and the food prices should be raised to cover the extra cost.

In the end, you are paying the same amount anyway... so I really don't understand the problem.

I have worked at restaurants before, and I know exactly what the tipping, lower than minimum wage policy amounts to....

Slavery.

They make the wait staff preform duties not associated with serving the customers, such as cleaning the store, stocking, and general labor... and they still get to only pay them like, 2.15 per hour.

It's extortion at a basic level, and I believe that it should end.

These waiters and waitresses need to be paid minimum wage, and tipping should return to a gratuity, as opposed to a direct threat to your customer experience, and or, the sanitary nature of your food.

Originally posted by Tuttle
Why does he only give 10% to the Christian god?, being a pastor and all you think he wouldnt be so stingy with his faith.

Anyway I do not believe in paying gratuity tax. I do not see why, we the actual paying customers need to make up for a companies crappy wages.

Nice. Bet you have consumed a bunch of waiter spit over the years. No, they don't forget.

I waited tables in college. Had a couple come in 2 nights in a row and spend $100 on dinner and drinks. Both nights they tipped me $1. They came in the third night in a row. Let's just say I lost my balance when i served their entrees and they both left that night wearing the dinner they had ordered. I have been known to lose a pitcher of ice tea every once in a while as well.

Being a stiff will catch up to you eventually. If you want to eat out then get with the program.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical


Robin Hood would have had a wonderful time relieving those kinds of people of their surplus finances. To think that an outlaw heathen would show more compassion for the needy than a righteous representative of the most high...such a shame. Can we rely on no one to show us what is holy and just? Pfft, we all know the answer to that! Even the Pope clutches his golden scepter and crown while bleating about feeding the hungry in Africa.

This is a fad that is getting out of hand.

Post a receipt...get fired. Should be an industry standard from now on.

reply to post by solidguy


Sounds like an episode of Bad Luck Brian.

*Post birth certificate, get arrested for unlawful distribution of government data*