Pastor to waitress: I GIVE GOD 10% WHY SHOULD I GIVE YOU 18%?

Originally posted by Grimpachi
The credit card info was not visible on the receipt so the argument that she should be fired for that doesn’t hold water.

The pastor deserves to be ostracized maybe the server deserves to be fired that’s debatable but if the pastor hadn’t pulled the religion card we wouldn’t be talking about it.

The fact that she is a pastor only makes it worse. I bet one plate will not be as full this Sunday.

lol i have the original receipt saved. it has been posted all over, the media outlets edit it and cut it off because they are aware of what can happen unlike certain braindead waitress'. i am not contributing or i would be a hypocrite. it is there and legible af. aww the poor poor waitress violated applebee's customer policy and got fired. what an evil pastor.

read the whole story and find the whole recepit, shouldn't take long to do. i thought you people were "awake"

I come from the UK where "tipping" is not expected in the same way it is in the US.
All employers no matter what industry sector they are in are required by law to pay the national minimum wage to all of their employee's.
I think current hourly rates are £6.19 a hour for over 21's ( around $9.70) and £4.98 for 18 - 21 year old's ( around $7.80)

I may be missing the point...but if waitresses are paid such low rates in the US and people are expected to tip to bring up their income to a level they can actually survive and live on.....then that actually mean's that customer's are not only paying for food but subsidising worker's wage's also. If that really is the case then I don't understand why there is a culture that put's pressure on individual's to tip rather than put pressure on rip off employer's!

I don't tip all year round.....but I do tip those who regularly provide me a good service all year round at Christmas time ....for example my hairdresser etc, not out of necessity but as a good will gesture to show my appreciation of good all year round service...this said I also get a box of chocolate's and a Christmas card off my regular fast food company I use as a good will gesture for me using their service all year round....in that instance it work's both way's.

I understand those who wish to tip to show appreciation if that's what they wish to do ....but as far tipping to subsidise someone's wage? Personally I wouldn't dine in a place where that was practised and wouldn't allow myself to come under that kind of emotional blackmail to further line the back pocket's of greedy and cheap employers...but maybe that's just a British thing.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I have never really understood tipping waitresses or taxi drivers, they are doing a job and providing a service and they get paid to do so, why should I pay them any more if they are already being paid.

I don’t tip.

My excuse “you’re getting paid regardless”.

I mean really 18%!!!!

What a cheek to ask for it, you go to a restaurant pay for a nice meal and they ask you for another 18% for giving you a smile and a bit of customer service, that should be free.

You may be eating a lot of body fluids. I mean if you ever go to the same place twice you might be remembered if they have hired a less than stellar employee. I know a waiter who admitted to sticking a finger up his anus and then handled the guests food and stirred their coffee and drink with it. I have heard of others fondling their own genital and then the customers steak. I have seen people sneeze on food. If it's personal service - you are in a vulnerable position...usually.

From time immemorial certain close personal service personnel are not paid at the same rate as other type "sales" The balance is expected to be covered the guest. The grat. is a way to show pleasure or displeasure at the "personal service" Rule is - Any personal service, from doorman to valet, waiter, barber, masseuse..... all get a tip....mostly so they don't cut you, hurt you, ruin your clothes or spit in your pasta. .:

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Grimpachi
Your comment baffles me. 20% is the norm 18% is low.

So I have a $100 meal with my wife and you spent 5 mins total serving me...nice wage...

i would like to know where you have ever been served a full course meal with a 5 minute face to face interaction with your server ???
exaggerate much ?

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Grimpachi
Your comment baffles me. 20% is the norm 18% is low.

So I have a $100 meal with my wife and you spent 5 mins total serving me...nice wage...

your cracking me up. It seems like you just found out that 20% is the norm.

Let me ask you this do you go out often and drop $100 then stiff your server? It may seem like 5 minutes to you but you are sadly mistaken.

I have this feeling that you are one of those nightmare customers. Would you mind telling us if you have ever worked in the service industry because you certainly don’t act like you have. It isn’t a big deal to me anymore because like I said I got out of that line of work. There are too many cheap skates besides that was a long long time ago for me. I had a side job when I was stationed state side in the military it was a headache.

I am just saying 20% is the norm. It is what it is. Do what you will with that knowledge.

Out of curiosity how much do people in the restaurant industry make after crappy wage and tips? I've never worked as server.

reply to post by jaydub911

too big an industry to give you a fair answer.
depending on location, location and location ... some servers take home upwards of $1000/wk. (4 shifts)

for most, like Applebees, servers are lucky to clear $400 in 5 shifts.

Originally posted by newcovenant


From time immemorial certain close personal service personnel are not paid at the same rate as other type "sales" The balance is expected to be covered the guest.

If that is the case then maybe it is the system that is wrong....if the service personnel are self employed then of course one would expect to pay them directly or indirectly for their services....but if they have a paid position with an employer then their basic wages SHOULD be covered by THEM not the customer.....the only person that kind of situation benefit's is the greedy employer!

reply to post by Hardstepah


I did look for the receipt and didn’t find it with the full number and that is why most do this on themXXX-XXX-XXX-8767 to protect customers in fact that is the law in a lot of places and they are useless without the expiration date even if the number is visible. So yeah it isn’t an issue. BTW why did you save her receipt?

Did you watch the video with the pastor talking about forgiveness. It was so Christian of her but she wasn’t talking about the person she got fired. It was her pity party.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


Lots of pages and I don't know if someones posted this already but if it helps, here is a yahoo article that states there were more than 8 people in the pastors party, which triggered an auto tip of 18%. I went to a casino restaurant out of state last year with family and although they were a little better than applebees it was a buffet that charged an auto tip of 18% because we had about 15-20 in our party. There were signs at the entrance that stated their auto tip policy and I'm guessing applebees has some too.

news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by jaydub911

 

too big an industry to give you a fair answer.
depending on location, location and location ... some servers take home upwards of $1000/wk. (4 shifts)

for most, like Applebees, servers are lucky to clear $400 in 5 shifts.

Wait so if they're lucky they make 400 a week, which means 400/40= 10$ an hour. Isn't minimum wage like 7-8$?

Originally posted by Springer
Here's a thought...

If you can't afford to tip or, you think it's unreasonable to tip (for whatever reason), then DON'T GO TO A RESTAURANT! Eat at home or hire a caterer.

It astounds me that in 2013 people don't understand that tips are the vast majority of a server's income.

Serving at a restaurant is a sales job, not much different than any other sales job, if you're good you'll make decent money like any other sales person would. If you're not a "people person" you'll likely starve, that's reality.

BUT, if you can afford to eat out PLEASE don't forget to tip the person who made your experience great by getting your food, drinks, and everything else you needed (maybe a high chair, extra napkins for grandma's runny nose, etc...) to your table with a smile. Tip them generously, they've earned it. IMHO.

All that said, if the service is sub par let the server know it by leaving a sub par tip, they need to find another line of work.

Restaurants count on the servers to make the sales, they are commissioned sales people just like a real estate agent or a car salesperson.

Springer...

In all due respect, Springer

I have to disagree partly.
imho the wait staff it just that, a service/labor. A Restaurant such as Applebee's, for example can have 15+ people on the wait staff.
And I would venture to say, your waiter/waitress is not the first thing you think about when deciding what you want dinner?
additionally, A Restaurant such as Applebee's the wait staff has very little power over reservation, or the price of food. In all likely hood you see a different server each time.
Yeah I am sure there are exceptions in a high scale, high class Restaurants - But in this topic we not referring to the The French Laundry or La Grenouillere, The Belvedere type Restaurants, respectfully.
Again I would venture to say, I don't think these servers have much problem with their pay.
We hear of this in the places people try to find decent food & decent price. These places doesn't always have steady stream of fat wallets for a clientele. Not very often is there repoire building process done by the wait staff, servers aren't putting the reputation on the line. There is much turn over in these places and you are easily replaced by the next person in the personal file. I'm sure it is just as completive in the high end Restaurant. However these are well paid and are a valuable part of the program.
My main point is these people work hard and steady(the good ones do) And they are not qualified to represent and hold accountable for the quality of the food. That's the job of the owner's and manager's (included sales. )
This is in no way an insult to wait staff depending on tips for a living, I am just saying these mid line Restaurants such as Applebee's should raise there prices (if $$ is a factor) and pay the staff a better wage. the wait staff would be happier and the Restaurant would sale more food and all this would end.
I could be way off base, cause -I know I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but Hey! I did stay in a Holiday Inn once..
can you see my point?

Operating expenses in food service is pretty excessive. If servers in the US were paid minimum wage the price per meal would be too high.

Tipping isn't required to avoid contaminated food. A well run establishment is reflective of the staff. I never saw anyone spit in food and I'd be the first to scream bloody murder if I did.

The days of ladies in hair nets, looking more like nurses than kitchen staff, are gone. Watch where you eat. If it's worth it tip accordingly if it's not you really have no business eating there.

reply to post by Golf66


I'm with on this one Gulf. I always tip well when the service is good. Sometimes I tip 50% Guess what. At a lot of those same restaurants I now get specialty dishes that are not on the menu served to me and comped. This one high end sushi place literally gives me 20% off the bill regardless of how big it is because I was a good tipper and customer. Every time I get the bill it says XXXXXX 20% off for life in handwriting. Even new waitresses somehow know without being told to give me the 20% discount. One time one of them didn't and the head chef/ owner told her that I laways get 20% off for life because I was a good customer.

A little extra tip goes a long way. Its very much worth it. I get treated like the mayor at just about every local restaurant in my community. Sometimes there is truth in the concept of the power of nice.

reply to post by jaydub911

hold on now, don't get ahead of yourself or put words in my mouth.
for some reason, you seem to be ignoring the location, location, location specification.

yes, in some instances (like my region) the average draw is roughly $10/hr ... i don't recall where this Applebees was located but, back in western PA, in a week w/bad weather, we'd be lucky to clear $150-200 on 5 shifts. (each of those shifts being 7.5 hrs but probably less now with Obamacare)

it would not be fair for me to assume what that store's average is ... it could be on the high end or quite the opposite.

personal disclosure -- many moons ago, i worked in a small greek cafe with about 12 tables and 2 servers. great money.

one regular, who was an author, was leaving for a 6mo tour.
on her last visit, (she requested me regularly btw) with about a $10 bill (8 and change, i think it was) ... she presented a $50 and stated that if i was still here (working at that restaurant) when she returned, she would deliver the other half.

she then promptly ripped the $50 down the middle (so the bank wouldn't accept it) and when she returned, she presented the other half before she was even sat down.

the above is something i never experienced even in a 5-star resort out in CA.

it isn't so much the place as it is the 'service' ... believe it or not, it counts for much more than a paycheck.

quality service earned me an invitation to home serve a family group of about 40, over a holiday weekend, which turned out to be directly connected to a Supreme Justice ... networking happens in all kinds of ways ... problem is, most are to dang tunnel-visioned to notice.
kinda like this Pastor lady.

just an addy ... for the claims currently that the pastor left cash on the table ... that's debatable.
i'm not sure i can give her the benefit of doubt because i saw this story from the 1st posting and only now, days later has it surfaced that a cash tip was left behind.
personally, i don't buy it.

I've made it to page eight and I'm beginning to understand why the thread about the check that said 'fat girls' got yanked

So interesting Thanks OP

Back to reading...

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Waitresses in the USA do not get paid normal wages. They live off tips because they make like 3.00 a hour.

I read this somewhere else but some people have nicknamed her pastor jingles.

You know because her pockets are full of change.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 Everything that happens in this world happens at the time God chooses. He sets the time for birth and the time for death, the time for planting and the time for pulling up, the time for killing and the time for healing, the time for tearing down and the time for building. He sets the time for sorrow and the time for joy, the time for mourning and the time for dancing, the time for making love and the time for not making love, the time for kissing and the time for not kissing. He sets the time for finding and the time for losing, the time for saving and the time for throwing away, the time for tearing and the time for mending,
the time for silence and the time for talk. He sets the time for love and the time for hate, the time for war and the time for peace. (GNT)

Psalm 84:10-12 Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere; I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked. For the Lord God is a sun and shield; the Lord bestows favor and honor; no good thing does he withhold from those whose walk is blameless. Lord Almighty, blessed is the one who trusts in you. (GNT)

'In the midst of the storm reach out God who calms the tempestuous sea and gives you peace.'

Psalm 84:10-12 Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere; I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked. For the Lord God is a sun and shield; the Lord bestows favor and honor; no good thing does he withhold from those whose walk is blameless. Lord Almighty, blessed is the one who trusts in you. (GNT)

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

I just don’t understand why you give 10% because someone is doing the job they are paid for.

Makes no sense to me.

I haven't read this entire thread yet, and I am really hoping some one else brings this up....In many states wait staff make like $2.30 per hour, business owners rely on you to make up the difference.

How can anyone sit their hind ends in a chair, watch a person run back and forth serving their needs and then not leave a tip?