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Originally posted by IsidoreOfSeville
So, the answer is, I think, if the marriage is not valid to begin with, and they divorce, then remarry someone else, then they are fornicating (from a religious standpoint). But condemned? Only the good Lord knows.
Of course not everyone on this board is Christian so I'm sure there'll be folks that will disagree.
edit on 2/1/2013 by IsidoreOfSeville because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LennayTheUndead
reply to post by Greatest I am
You know...people would have religion "crammed" down their throats a lot less frequently if they didn't ask for it. What purpose does it serve to chastise anyone for practicing (or not practicing) whatever religion they choose (or don't choose) to practice?..
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Greatest I am
I just put a TED link above if you care to see how our morals are better than the bible Gods
Another Ted talk related to morality..
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
I agree but most people who are married are not even close to being one flesh. That kinda connection between two people seem to be a rare thing. What if gods purpose is to have two people temporary together to grow and the split up to find their true one flesh that they can have the true connection with but was to immature before to be able to have?
Humans keep simplyfying what is right and wrong without having walked in the persons shoe and knowing what is really going on.
However, we live in a very different world and times are a changing so this may not apply to everyone, so let me preface the above with the assumption that we are speaking strictly from a religious background.
What if gods purpose is to have two people temporary together to grow and the split up to find their true one flesh that they can have the true connection with but was to immature before to be able to have?
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
" If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9
I see.
So you, if you are divorced, can knowingly live in sin for years and years and on your death bed ask for forgiveness ---- even as you know you do not repent, or you would have stopped your ways years in the past, ---- and God will forgive you.
How droll.
Again, you do my work of discrediting Christianity for me.
Regards
DL
You can have forgiveness and get a needed vacation. But someday you still will have to fix the mess you created if there is any left. To be of god (the ONE the bible hints of) you have to take responsibility. Even Jesus said that himself. But judging yourself to hard for what you have done is only foolish since it is better to put your effort on fixing it than wasting time with destructive thoughts of not being good enought.
But then what the bible considers sin and what god does is probably very different because god is not a small minded one brain person but has all the information stored in all brains and can understand the interactions between different people better than any human with one brain can. A human normally do not even have control and knowledge of his unconscious. Try not to judge to hard until you have the whole picture (one of my biggest issues) and do not worry to much. Sooner or later we all get it on one level or another. finding your way home is just a matter of time.
Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Are divorced Christians condemned to hell?
One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder.
bibleapps.com...
IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it.
This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce.
Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce.
If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian?
Regards
DL
I still have not figured out whether you truly enjoy goading people of faith with your threads, or if you just enjoy trying to cross-examine Christian doctrine against itself in pointless circular arguments?
And why I choose to torture myself by even participating in them leaves me at an even bigger loss. I guess it's sorta like a train wreck-- you know there's going to be obscene wreckage but the fascination of all the sheer possibilities of how that carnage could play itself out completely overwhelms any dignity and reason.
The Bible gives two grounds for divorce, 1) adultery; 2) abandonment. Having said that, I certainly don't claim to know the mind of God, but I can learn of His nature and of my perception thus far, I would think it entirely reasonable to speculate that He would not condone nor expect someone to stay in a situation wherein they live under a perpetual threat of harm.
Regardless, the answer to your question is 'No', divorced Christians are not damned to hell simply for the sake of being a divorcee.
My mother is currently going through divorce number 5. She makes ignorant, selfish choices. She has lived a life of strife and turmoil. I can give her prudent counsel until I'm blue in the face, but some people only learn through their own experience-- whether for better, or worse-- and we all have our own battles to fight so judging someone for the way they fight that battle is idiotic and naive.
Despite all that, my mother truly loves God and wants to have happiness in her life, she just keeps making stupid decisions. And no matter how far down in the muddy pit she digs herself, she always comes to that moment of reckoning at which point only God can pluck her ignorant ass up out of there, wash her off and continue to patiently watch over her as she continues her fumbling journey towards eternity.
We are not perfect, nor are we even capable of such. God has not invested Himself in this creation simply to set it up for failure. He is acutely aware of our flaws, faults, shortcomings and unsavory tendencies.
Every single one of us will continue to fall prey to our inherently selfish nature one way or another until the day we die. We are all running this race and we will all cross over the finish line, therefore it is how we run it that determines our true character at the end.edit on 2-2-2013 by stupid girl because: (no reason given)
The Bible gives two grounds for divorce, 1) adultery; 2) abandonment. Having said that, I certainly don't claim to know the mind of God
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by stupid girl
The Bible gives two grounds for divorce, 1) adultery; 2) abandonment. Having said that, I certainly don't claim to know the mind of God
What a baffling juxtaposition that is! The belief in the Bible and the belief you don't know the mind of God.
What is the Bible but a description of God's mind. A representation of 'his' thoughts and wishes and judgements..
Holding affirmation in the divinity of the Bible IS the claim to know the mind of God.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
What a baffling juxtaposition that is! The belief in the Bible and the belief you don't know the mind of God. What is the Bible but a description of God's mind. A representation of 'his' thoughts and wishes and judgements..
Holding affirmation in the divinity of the Bible IS the claim to know the mind of God.
Originally posted by stupid girl
To God, this was despicable character worthy of removing from influencing others to do same.
Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by stupid girl
The Bible gives two grounds for divorce, 1) adultery; 2) abandonment. Having said that, I certainly don't claim to know the mind of God
What a baffling juxtaposition that is! The belief in the Bible and the belief you don't know the mind of God.
What is the Bible but a description of God's mind. A representation of 'his' thoughts and wishes and judgements..
Holding affirmation in the divinity of the Bible IS the claim to know the mind of God.
No one can read my mind, they can only know what I tell them and observe my actions.
I would never be so presumptuous to claim to know God's thoughts, nor the capability to comprehend His eternal ways with my finite understanding.
Thus the Bible is just as you described-- His revelation of His personal thoughts, wishes and judgment.
His ways are above our ways and His mind infinitely superior, thus it is my personal opinion that as His creation, especially in its current flawed state, we are incapable of understanding or knowing the mind of God. We can only know what He shares with us.
To even begin to know the mind of God, we would have to have the knowledge and understanding required to create the entire universe and everything in it. It seems obvious to me that we still have a long way to go.
Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by FlyersFan
Onan did not suffer death because he blew his wad into the dirt. Onan died because he expressly rebelled against something God specifically asked him to do, which was produce offspring with his brother's widow. And at the context of the time, this was a highly important familial duty which would have been a great offense to not uphold.
The context in this particular case is the death of Onan's brother before he was able to have children with his own wife. When a man died and left no children, the next of kin was sometimes obligated to produce children with the widow of their deceased relation.
Any children produced would be considered as descendents of the original deceased husband and would be raised as such. The offspring would then be able to take care of their widowed mother, contribute more to the clan, and eventually raise their own children, continuing the name of that family.
This would have been a basic way of life for Onan, therefore he understood what God was asking him to do but he refused to take part in furthering the honor of his brother's name, the wife, and her future care.
To God, this was despicable character worthy of removing from influencing others to do same.
You think the Bible tells us the mind of God?
His ways are above our ways and His mind infinitely superior, thus it is my personal opinion that as His creation, especially in its current flawed state, we are incapable of understanding or knowing the mind of God.
We can only know what He shares with us.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by stupid girl
To God, this was despicable character worthy of removing from influencing others to do same.
Whereas in Hitler's case....
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by stupid girl
reply to post by FlyersFan
Onan did not suffer death because he blew his wad into the dirt. Onan died because he expressly rebelled against something God specifically asked him to do, which was produce offspring with his brother's widow. And at the context of the time, this was a highly important familial duty which would have been a great offense to not uphold.
The context in this particular case is the death of Onan's brother before he was able to have children with his own wife. When a man died and left no children, the next of kin was sometimes obligated to produce children with the widow of their deceased relation.
Any children produced would be considered as descendents of the original deceased husband and would be raised as such. The offspring would then be able to take care of their widowed mother, contribute more to the clan, and eventually raise their own children, continuing the name of that family.
This would have been a basic way of life for Onan, therefore he understood what God was asking him to do but he refused to take part in furthering the honor of his brother's name, the wife, and her future care.
To God, this was despicable character worthy of removing from influencing others to do same.
www.youtube.com...
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Self-abasement is a high form of pride.
If A E were bright enough to become as God said, as Gods in the knowing of good and evil, why would you think you are not up to the task?
Atyrange that you think your God makes defective people.
If you are that low on the intelligence scale, then why would scriptures urge you to be like God?
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Regards
DL