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Originally posted by IsidoreOfSeville
reply to post by Garkiniss
Let's not forget the 10 commandments are in the OT.
Originally posted by IsidoreOfSeville
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Are divorced Christians condemned to hell?
One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder.
bibleapps.com...
IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it.
This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce.
Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce.
If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian?
Regards
DL
Here's some info I think would help:
What may appear as a loophole is a consequence of misinterpretation or mistranslation. The King James Version and others translate the passage into English words that appear to say fornication, unchastity, or adultery are exceptions that allow a divorce.
The constant teaching of the Church has been that a valid sacramental marriage can not be broken, even if one party sins. As Matthew 19:6 says, "Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate." Biblical scholars, such as J. Bonsirven, have pointed out that the Greek word that is pivotal here is "porneia," which means unlawful sexual intercourse. The Gospel does not use the Greek word "moicheia," which is the ordinary Greek word for adultery.
The intent appears to be to distinguish a true marriage from concubinage. What is being said is that if a man and a woman are in fact married, the bond is inseparable. But if they are not married, just "living together," then there is no lawful marriage and there can be a separation or annulment. The wording of the New American Bible for Matthew 19:9 is a translation that gives us this sense.
Found here.
That help?
Originally posted by Garkiniss
Originally posted by IsidoreOfSeville
reply to post by Garkiniss
Let's not forget the 10 commandments are in the OT.
If people want to limit their lives, that's fine. Personally, I could give a damn about the OT or NT. The golden rule (which is far older than Christianity) seems to work fine as a logical moral code. I'll stick with that.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Greatest I am
Flavian was during the time of Jesus, Constantine was after. See, in the end, Constantine was just reacting to this new religion sweeping the empire. Why everyone was switching over, I really can't say. But he was a pagan until the end, when he was baptized on his death bed. He pretty much took the remaining piece of paganism and shoved them into Christianity like a wasp lays eggs in a frog. Much as I hate to use that analogy, it does fit. The intention, he said, was to prevent future wars based on religion. He wanted spirituality to unite, not divide.
But he underestimated the power of money. *evil laugh*
Originally posted by Garkiniss
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Correct. It was Rome.
Well technically it's origins can be traced back to at least the Middle Kingdom of Egypt (2040–1650 BCE) back before it was called the Golden Rule and was known as a variation of the "ethic of reciprocity."
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by IsidoreOfSeville
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Are divorced Christians condemned to hell?
One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder.
bibleapps.com...
IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it.
This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce.
Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce.
If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian?
Regards
DL
Here's some info I think would help:
What may appear as a loophole is a consequence of misinterpretation or mistranslation. The King James Version and others translate the passage into English words that appear to say fornication, unchastity, or adultery are exceptions that allow a divorce.
The constant teaching of the Church has been that a valid sacramental marriage can not be broken, even if one party sins. As Matthew 19:6 says, "Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate." Biblical scholars, such as J. Bonsirven, have pointed out that the Greek word that is pivotal here is "porneia," which means unlawful sexual intercourse. The Gospel does not use the Greek word "moicheia," which is the ordinary Greek word for adultery.
The intent appears to be to distinguish a true marriage from concubinage. What is being said is that if a man and a woman are in fact married, the bond is inseparable. But if they are not married, just "living together," then there is no lawful marriage and there can be a separation or annulment. The wording of the New American Bible for Matthew 19:9 is a translation that gives us this sense.
Found here.
That help?
It strengthens my view but will not effect Christians as they will not believe it or bother doing the research on their WORD as written.
Your view of the morality of their tradition and dogma would perhaps have more of an effect. Care to share?
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
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Let me share my reasoning with you. Yes, I still think it is adultery in the Judeo-Christian perspective if a married couple divorces and goes on to marry other couples for any other reason other than sexual immorality. ]
We all know what Christianity thinks. Mostly garbage.
Your view is what I focus on as there are many Christian ones and your brush is too wide.
If you agree with that view, knowing that Christianity brags that God is love, how do you justify denying people the right to find a loving partner to go through life with by branding them sinners if they do?
Regards
DL
God forgives when we confess and repent. There isn't much else to say about that.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
God forgives when we confess and repent. There isn't much else to say about that.
Except for the part where divorce is a sin to begin with.
Divorce often happens when couples shouldn't be together. I would think God understands that.
I just put a TED link above if you care to see how our morals are better than the bible Gods
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
" If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
1 John 1:9
I see.
So you, if you are divorced, can knowingly live in sin for years and years and on your death bed ask for forgiveness ---- even as you know you do not repent, or you would have stopped your ways years in the past, ---- and God will forgive you.
How droll.
Again, you do my work of discrediting Christianity for me.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by LennayTheUndead
I am implying it's not a sin (moral offense) to begin with because I am implying the Bible from which that rule came from was a persons thought and not God's thought. I am implying an omniscient and omnibenevolent God wouldn't view it as a sin to begin with. Surely that kind of God would not have such a simplistic black and white stance and empathetically understand the justification for divorce.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
You are forgiven as long as you believe in Jesus and repent for your sins. At least, that's how I've always understood it.
Matthew 18:19 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 18:20 For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
Originally posted by Garkiniss
Originally posted by Greatest I am
So you see fault in God's word do you?
No, I see fault in man's word. God didn't author the bible.
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Are divorced Christians condemned to hell?
One of God’s main rules is on divorce and his policy is ---- let no man put asunder.
bibleapps.com...
IOW, there are no excuses for divorce and it is a sin to do it.
This view is enforced by Jesus and he chastised Moses for adding terms for divorce.
Divorced Christians, ---- statistics show up to 60% of all Christians, ---- are thus living in sin and I wondered if Christians thought that they were condemned because of their choice to divorce.
If you are a divorced Christian, do you think God’s policy just and if not, why do you remain a condemned Christian?
Regards
DL