reply to post by TheSubversiveOne
I have a problem treating "existence" like it is a thing. Existing is a verb. A verb needs a subject to do the action. Man, as a subject, can do the
existing. It is man that has evolved, and not existence. I mean, this is me being overly pedantic and concerned with semantics, but it is nonetheless
true. "Is", "being", to be etc. are all verbs which require a subject to do them.
All rules man, all made up ......tell me where is the official universal rule book that states as a universailty that Existence isn't doing the
existing ...only a subject can.
You said it yourself:
we are merely giving names to things, providing interpretations and not really answering anything.
So the next part of your statement also is trash based on the your own statement above. You destroyed your own definitions:
But there is no universal progress that isn't fundamentally guided by chaos and chaotic forces. If there was a universal purpose to the universe, it
could only be chaos, for anything that appears to be systematic can be torn down instantly by chaos.
I used to think the same way too. All chaos, no meanings, everything is pointless. Then I looked around and saw that everything is categorized and
grouped. All knowledge compartmentalized. If we are going to ask the whys and for what purpose, there are only a few branches of thought that tackle
this: science, philosophy, religion.
If you check out science, then yes if you only stick to that than your whole basis relies on the findings of science, and thus far, for them,
everything is chaos.
Philosophy. So many angles, so many views, so much to study. Many say their is purpose, while a few say there isn't.
Religion. So many different ones. Exoteric and esoteric, all trying to come up with the answer.
For myself, I've investigated all of the above and it was Philosophy and Esotericism that revealed to me direct experiences of non-localised
consciousness, of being out of the body, of remembering having pre-existed. I'm all set. I'm good to go. The insights, experiences, and realizations
I have gained have permanently put to death any ideas of all of this being all chaos and no purpose.
I've seen we are intrinsically Consciousness, and not the body or the mind. We as consciousness have pre-existed prior to earth life and there is a
source to consciousness. So I'm done, I'm complete. There is not much else for me here to say. I don't even have to say I know I'm right, cause
there is a built in truth based self defense mechanism in every individual, and it is based on physical death. When the physical vessel dies, then you
will see the truth and you'll learn directly that everything isn't chaos.
Feck it, there I said it. Death is the ultimate truth bearer and some get to find out what is really going on before hand. I'll even go so far as to
say this. I'm willing to bet my job, all my bank savings, truck, house, everything I own and everyone I know, and my physical life here .......all my
chips on the table to bet that what I have seen and stated above is true.
Are you willing to stake the same for chaos and 0 purpose? That's the ultimate test.
But what is considered a purpose by man, is only ever just a purpose, fathomed, created and applied by man to his relationship to the universe, and
not endowed by universe itself.
Wrong again. There are soul purposes and fates. People do certain things because they feel it burning in their souls that they should be doing that
specific thing. The way De Niro was born to act, Beatles born to perform, Unser Jr. born to race ...I can go on for a long time.... and can add that I
too was born to find the truth, where-ever that may be ......and I found it in Philosophy and Esotericism ...all of which point to the direct
experience of the Absolute, of Oneness, of consciousness as the starting and ending point.
I do think it's necessary to create purpose, but only for practical reasons. And we shouldn't assume there is a purpose outside of human intent,
because nothing at all shows this.
The above statement is your own projection. If there is a purpose outside human intent, which I argue is obvious all around us, then it exists
regardless of you projecting otherwise.
We differ in opinion because there is nothing conclusive that proves either of us wrong. This in itself is quite telling. Our idea of purpose is
different, showing that it is dependent on what we make of our relationship with the universe.
There are conclusive factors. They can be found in Zen, Buddhism, Mystical Christianity, Nondualist Philosophy, Socrates, Empedocles, Sufism, and
various other forms of thought. IF your skepticism keeps you from penetrating the depths of those schools of thought, then all that's logically left
is projected chaos