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Originally posted by Daedalus
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
Im saying taking parts only from an airsoft gun to use in a real gun. Yes you can. It may not last long but you could use the parts....even if they arent perfectly to spec you could modify them. I don't see what the benefit would be by using crappy plastic and cheap metal but may be a cheap fix or help avoiding registering the lower. And felons have been pretty resourceful on getting weapons of any kind. I agree with you that most are gotten from the black market, but to think they haven't been creative in navigating the law is very naive.
Im not saying take an airsoft gun...toss in a couple real parts and bam you got a weapon!
Oh I didn't clarify either...im refering to parts of the lower receiver only...I will try to consult with a few friends and learn the actual parts they believe can be used...as ive never done this myself...if I remember right its something with the lower receiver and t would still need some sort of modification from someone who knew a decent amount. But hey if helps you avoid registering it....why not...even if it only fired a couple rounds before jamming or breaking.edit on 2-2-2013 by cosmicexplorer because: (no reason given)edit on 2-2-2013 by cosmicexplorer because: i type like an elephant in heatedit on 2-2-2013 by cosmicexplorer because: more typosedit on 2-2-2013 by cosmicexplorer because: (no reason given)
If it were possible, it would be done, and it would be done all the time.
The ATF seizing this single shipment happened over two years ago, since that happened, and this idiotic assertion was made, i have not seen a SINGLE report of it having ever been done.
i own a top of the line Gas-Blowback Airsoft M4...and i am familiar with the internals of a REAL M4...i can tell you, with very comfortable level of certainty that it is not possible to build an AR-15 or M4 on an airsoft GBB lower...
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
I work in law enforcement....we received an intel briefing on how people were attempting this....and it was one or two years ago....a lot could have changed since then with law and maybe even how air soft is made. I think the ATF's statement of how "easy" it would be is absurd. If I gave a lower receiver to an engineer and said ill give you one million dollars to take this lower using anything else you need necessary and make it work with a real upper they would solve the problem. You can make a lower out of of wood, or anything to some extent. Sure its absolutely retarded to do it...and that's why it never took off...cause of the amount of knowledge work and money it would take to try to make it work only to have it not last. Since we have had this briefing I haven't heard a thing about it again until this ATF stuff. The idea behind it was for felons to try and navigate laws by not having to register the lower. Give me some time to research this a little more and see If I can private message you what was originally sent to me..and let me talk with some of our armorers too. I'll try to get you the exact specifics..and honestly I'd like to see a video of one firing myself. All im saying is it possible...but i think it would be very very difficult.edit on 3-2-2013 by cosmicexplorer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dave_welch
Ok, so lets entertain the possibility (highly unlikely) that it can be done. You're going through a lot of trouble for a Lower Receiver. Just think about this, The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms just confiscated 30 toys that may be able to be used for parts on real guns. They did that, instead of going after REAL ILLEGAL GUNS! Our Tax Dollars at work everybody.
Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by Daedalus
And what difference does that make as to what I said?
Originally posted by DAVID64
If it can be converted to fire real ammo, Prove It. I wanna see a video of one of their guys firing it.
Somebody better be standing there with a cell phone and 91 dialed. Just wait till he pulls the trigger, then go ahead and dial the other 1.
Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
reply to post by Daedalus
I absolutely agree there are better ways...as you mentioned the 80% receiver...and I totally agree this is a fear mongering tactic from the ATF. And frankly i could care less if people were doing it...
I brought it up this morning in briefing and the consensus is that it could be done with a complete wipe of components...new drill holes and then a complete install of components...but would be pointless...mostly for what we've already mentioned...I really wanna see someone do it now just for the sake of it...I'm sure the ATF will have someone working on it either way at this point haha.
Im completely pro gun and on your side mate...and I believe stuff like this has to be monitored...I can assure you the majority of my department claims they wouldn't enforce unconstitutional laws....I know for sure I wouldn't enforce a gun grab and have already stated I would resign in a heartbeat.
Originally posted by TheDarkTurnip
All guns have to be made out of high quality SPECIAL MAGIC gun steel otherwise they will explode. The Tec-9 for example is made entirely out of hardened SPECIAL MAGIC gun steel specially forged in space by metallurgy fairies.
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... In reality the regulated part of it (The part the ATF will refer to as the 'firearm') is made out of crappy plastic that is known to crack with use. An AR15 based on a modified aluminum airsoft receiver (some are even steel) would be more durable than many production firearms.
Some production AR15 receivers and trigger groupings are made almost entirely out of molded plastic
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The receiver is considered the firearm. Almost anything can be used to make a receiver, even a plastic chopping board. It is a component that does not need to be made of metal nor does it experience significant stress.
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If you think modifying a decent quality airsoft AR15 receiver into a working firearm component 'is impossible' you have no imagination. It would not even be 'difficult' with minimal tools. Even the trigger grouping of a gas blowback could be utilized. The only function it would need to perform is hitting the firing pin. If it does not line up you weld or screw on more material in order to raise the profile of the hammer face forward.
The ATF are of course fear mongering and trying to justify the seizure by blowing a technical possibility out of proportion and implying to the public that a fully assembled BB gun can somehow be transformed and is a threat to society. The agent in question probably does not even know what part the receiver is seeing as he couldn't even figure out which way the magazine went in.
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I agree that spending money to interdict toy guns is insane, but so is a country where gun shops outnumber grocery stores.