Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
I work in law enforcement....we received an intel briefing on how people were attempting this....and it was one or two years ago....a lot could have
changed since then with law and maybe even how air soft is made. I think the ATF's statement of how "easy" it would be is absurd. If I gave a
lower receiver to an engineer and said ill give you one million dollars to take this lower using anything else you need necessary and make it work
with a real upper they would solve the problem. You can make a lower out of of wood, or anything to some extent. Sure its absolutely retarded to do
it...and that's why it never took off...cause of the amount of knowledge work and money it would take to try to make it work only to have it not
last. Since we have had this briefing I haven't heard a thing about it again until this ATF stuff. The idea behind it was for felons to try and
navigate laws by not having to register the lower. Give me some time to research this a little more and see If I can private message you what was
originally sent to me..and let me talk with some of our armorers too. I'll try to get you the exact specifics..and honestly I'd like to see a video
of one firing myself. All im saying is it possible...but i think it would be very very difficult.
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well, the story is about two years old, so your briefing on the matter, was most likely related to the idiocy we saw in the OP.
the reason you haven't heard anything about it since, is because it's complete bulls**t, and just another example of the federal government trying
to demonize guns, and brainwash the younger generation into believing they're bad...they know airsoft is popular with the young people, and they want
to take it away....they don't want young people getting comfortable or familiar with guns..
anyone who knows anything about guns knows that if you wanna get around serial numbers, and registration, you get yourself an 80% lower(which is not
required to have a serial number, because it is incomplete), mill it out, and build the weapon yourself...and here's the thing about that...it's
completely legal to do. If you check the ATF's website, they state in there that an 80% lower is NOT considered a firearm. furthermore, they say it
is legal for you mill one out, and build your own weapon, and it does not have to be registered. the only caveat is that you are not allowed to sell
it, and i don't think you can transfer it either, but that's straight from the ATF...
SO! ..let's play devil's advocate here for a moment, COMPLETELY suspend disbelief for a moment, and say, sure, you can use the highest quality lower
from an Airsoft GBB M-4 or M-16, and you can mate that to an AR-15 upper, and it will work...HOW exactly is that any different than building your own
AR-15 from an 80% lower that you finished yourself? why is it a problem? i'm pretty sure you can't use the airsoft full auto trigger group with an
AR-15 upper..so you would need to use the semi-auto trigger group from an AR-15, so the finished product would be the same as an AR-15 built from an
but......since it's not possible to even DO such a thing, and even if it were, it would be the same thing as building off an 80-percenter, the ATF
was not only lying, but was making a big fuss over nothing...it was propaganda bulls**t scare tactics, to give legislators ammunition, at a time when
many states were trying to ban a legitimate hobby... as a matter of fact, i remember that was one of the arguments that was used by legislators here
in my state, to try to ban airsoft, and criminalize ownership of replicas...it fell flat, when it was demonstrated that they are not as dangerous as
legislators asserted, and i believe there was even expert testimony that stated you can't convert them to fire real bullets...i'll hafta see if i
can dig that up out of my files...i was affiliated with one of the organizations that fought the legislation..
i'd love to further discuss the matter with you...i find it fascinating, but ultimately pointless, since it just can't be done...but i would love to
see whatever you've got..
also, just to clarify to those of you not paying attention, the (idiotic) assertion by ATF, is that you can "with minimal work", convert an Airsoft
M-4 into a military grade weapon....the consensus among those of us in the thread that actually know some s**t about guns, is that you would need to
modify the airsoft lower- mate it to an AR-15 upper, and you would theoretically have a functioning weapon, capable of auto and burst fire....and the
majority of those of us that actually know some s**t about guns agree it is not a thing that can be done, for multiple reasons...and i'm fairly
certain that was done on purpose. by the manufacturers of the airsoft replicas, to protect against the very thing ATF was (idiotically) freaking out