Fellow "christians", why do you think it is better to kill people than be gay?

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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by DelayedChristmas

Originally posted by maes2
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before teaching me more about genetics, I should declare what I mean by homosexuality and gay sex.
I mean by homosexual sex that two sexual healthy humans have sex with the same sex. what is the relation between this and genetics !!!
there are just some rare people who have sex disorders which they can get cured simply. the disorders may have genetics sources. after all many of our physical and mental disorders and orders may have a genetic source !
saying that we should spread homosexual sex just because it may have a genetic source is the same that we should spread robbery because it may have a genetic source.
sexual curiosity of children is different from homosexual sex.
homosexual sex may be consensual. ok let it be. but even spreading that consensual unnatural sex is a big danger for societies.
people say that there are some videos on youtube of homosexual animals ! I checked. and I saw how people commented under them that they were pride because of being homosexual !! however most of them were unavailable. they are comparing themselves to animals !!!!
even so, but animals just follow their instincts. and their instincts force them to generate the next generation. if animals would practice homosexual intercourse then they would have extincted far ago ! moreover Sodom and Gomorrah would say why you are punishing us for what our pets are doing that naturally !!!!!!
there are hidden hands behind spreading homosexuality. and nations will not accept that someone force them to recognize homosexuality a marriage. and they will laugh at it's ignorance !!!




Friendly precaution, delete your youtube history or someone's going to think you like watching homosexual animals getting it on


Ask God about His stance on homosexuality.


You have the cell phone number to GOD and Its rascally whereabouts? Friendly precaution I'd like a front row seat watching you throw stones at yourself and trying/attempting to make yourself miss.

I WILL ASK. God, what is your stance on homosexuality? (Within a confessional) Why within the Church hidden well my Son/daughter, Peter! is that YOU??
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Dude, I still don't understand what you are saying. Are you making fun of me because you assume something I am not. Are you making fun of me because I am advising Maes2 to not consort the Bible and the Judaic Laws for God's stance on homosexuality and ask God personally?

If I am "throwing stones," I would like to know what stones I am throwing in your eyes.


My opinion on it is that people will always twist scripture to justify what they are doing and to condemn whatever they disagree with. They used scripture to support the owning of slaves. They used scripture to support the Salem witch trials. They used scripture to support the crusades in the middle ages where countless people were murdered. Hitler used it, the KKK uses it, now the homophobes use it.

This doesn't mean scripture is evil, it doesn't mean Christianity (what it SHOULD be) is evil. It means people have bastardized it, they have twisted it, they have warped it. They don't practice Christianity when they do this, they practice hatred and that's the complete opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be.


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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 03:51 PM
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sorry for my poor english.
by the last paragraph I mean the secular governing has reached to this point that sexual freedom (fornication and adultery) is becoming a big problem for them. and they know that their tools for controlling the population, especially, children without a father or family, are useless.
so they are spreading homosexuality to control the population. in the religion of secularism saying " do not do illegal sex" is forbidden. so they are controlling their problems this way !

have you ever noticed that in our sexually freedom world, rape is widespread ! this is an amazing paradox !!!!

another fact is that homosexuality can have mental consequences. they can make people more passive.

I think what we are witnessing is just SPREADING homosexuality and those politicians have a good reason for that.

as you said stoning is in Bible and it is a law of Judaism for adultery then Christianity and Islam. but it has really hard conditions and it is a capital punishment. it is for PUBLIC adultery or Gay intercourse (there should be enough witnesses) !!!!
I think the aim of those laws are not for killing people but to prevent the spreading of adultery and homosexuality. and to prevent porn !!!!!

the amazing point is that Israel which claims being jew is the home of homosexuality ! I wonder if this means anything for Christianity






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posted on Feb, 6 2013 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by DelayedChristmas


Friendly precaution, delete your youtube history or someone's going to think you like watching homosexual animals getting it on


Ask God about His stance on homosexuality.


vethumanbeing[i/]
You have the cell phone number to GOD and Its rascally whereabouts? Friendly precaution I'd like a front row seat watching you throw stones at yourself and trying/attempting to make yourself miss.

I WILL ASK. God, what is your stance on homosexuality? (Within a confessional) Why within the Church hidden well my Son/daughter, Peter! is that YOU??



DelayedChristmas
Dude, I still don't understand what you are saying. Are you making fun of me because you assume something I am not. Are you making fun of me because I am advising Maes2 to not consort the Bible and the Judaic Laws for God's stance on homosexuality and ask God personally?

If I am "throwing stones," I would like to know what stones I am throwing in your eyes.
My opinion on it is that people will always twist scripture to justify what they are doing and to condemn whatever they disagree with. They used scripture to support the owning of slaves. They used scripture to support the Salem witch trials. They used scripture to support the crusades in the middle ages where countless people were murdered. Hitler used it, the KKK uses it, now the homophobes use it.


You well know where (at your sanctimonious feet) the stones are in process becoming; describing your ideas, flying like boomerangs at your head. What is this. You are advising Maes2 to not read the Bible and or Judaic Laws for God's stance on homosexuality and ask God personally. You Said IT. If you talk to God and advise others to do so I WANT THE NUMBER AS WELL.


DelayedChristmas[i/]
This doesn't mean scripture is evil, it doesn't mean Christianity (what it SHOULD be) is evil. It means people have bastardized it, they have twisted it, they have warped it. They don't practice Christianity when they do this, they practice hatred and that's the complete opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be.


Oh I so agree. The entire point of Scripture was as a jump off point to enable humans to bastardize it, use it to twist and warp for their convienence. THIS was THE PLAN (what are they going to do). Use it for personal gain, hey, I just found a credit card in the street $25,000 credit limit in the name of: God. So you would take it to the nearest Home Depot and purchase the foundation materials needed to re-erect Solomons Temple in your backyard. I think you would have other personal selfish needs to be satisfied; which takes us right back to the 'throwing of the stones' analogy.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 12:56 AM
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I apologize in advance if I have a hard time feeling insulted when you try to insult me. I'm looking at your wanna be hero avatar and thinking "well of course." I could say worse but I'm trying to be polite. Given that you may be underage.

Yes, I do think a person has to question their moral beliefs when they own a gun. You are saying definitively "I shalt kill if I have to." I'm not saying that it's wrong, but why can't gun owners just own up to that? Be a killer if you want to, but don't sugar coat it. You declare an intent to kill by owning a gun far more than I do by owning a car or purchasing a paperclip. Why get offended when you get called out on it?



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 08:18 AM
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Wondering how many folk in this thread enjoy a prawn salad from time to time, or a lobster covered in garlic butter?

My guess is most if not all.

Also wondering how many wear clothes of different threads.....

etc etc



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Prezbo369
Wondering how many folk in this thread enjoy a prawn salad from time to time, or a lobster covered in garlic butter?

My guess is most if not all.

Also wondering how many wear clothes of different threads.....

etc etc


Sure we do.

I suppose, unless there are legalists or Jews here.



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Prezbo369
Wondering how many folk in this thread enjoy a prawn salad from time to time, or a lobster covered in garlic butter?

My guess is most if not all.

Also wondering how many wear clothes of different threads.....

etc etc


Sure we do.

I suppose, unless there are legalists or Jews here.



I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished


Unless you think you've found a loophole, right?



posted on Feb, 7 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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Not a "loophole" per se, but to argue the precise premise let's go back to the covenant on Mt.Sinai.

Was that covenant made by God with Gentiles or the Hebrew people?

The reason why I mentioned Jews was they were the 2nd party to the first covenant, not Gentiles.

Gentiles are under the covenant of grace offered by Christ. In that covenant He only gave two commands compared to the 613 in the first covenant with the Jews.


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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Not a "loophole" per se, but to argue the precise premise let's go back to the covenant on Mt.Sinai.

Was that covenant made by God with Gentiles or the Hebrew people?

The reason why I mentioned Jews was they were the 2nd party to the first covenant, not Gentiles.

Gentiles are under the covenant of grace offered by Christ. In that covenant He only gave two commands compared to the 613 in the first covenant with the Jews.




Yeah if that's not a loophole, a particularly weak, unconvincing and contrived one at that, then I don't know what is...

It just so happens to allow you to live a normal life in 2013, and still be bigoted...



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 08:27 AM
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Then kindly explain why a group of people should be held responsible or a party to a contract that they were never a party to when the contract was made. Would it make sense to you if your neighbor's mortgage company came to you for debt collection on your neighbor's property if he defaults? Of course not. Same applies here, God entered covenant on Mt. Sinai with the children of Israel. Gentiles are reconciled under Christ's second covenant, not the first. And instead of giving man 613 laws He gave two, love God, love your fellow man as you would yourself.

The only thing 'weak' here is your argument. No where are Gentiles told not to eat shrimp or lobster, that's a Jewish dietary law.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Then kindly explain why a group of people should be held responsible or a party to a contract that they were never a party to when the contract was made. Would it make sense to you if your neighbor's mortgage company came to you for debt collection on your neighbor's property if he defaults? Of course not.


Hey I agree, holding anyone responsible for the actions of others is incredibly immoral, so is removing peoples responsibility for such actions (scape-goating as it were...). But there where no caveats added to the above quote, not a jot nor a tiddle....



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Prezbo369

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Then kindly explain why a group of people should be held responsible or a party to a contract that they were never a party to when the contract was made. Would it make sense to you if your neighbor's mortgage company came to you for debt collection on your neighbor's property if he defaults? Of course not.


Hey I agree, holding anyone responsible for the actions of others is incredibly immoral, so is removing peoples responsibility for such actions (scape-goating as it were...). But there where no caveats added to the above quote, not a jot nor a tiddle....


And who was the audience when that quote was made?

P.S. Do you know where the term "scapegoat " comes from? From the Passover sacrifice, which pictures the crucifixion of Christ. So ironically, there is no better term to use as an analogy for that than "scapegoat".

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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Then kindly explain why a group of people should be held responsible or a party to a contract that they were never a party to when the contract was made. Would it make sense to you if your neighbor's mortgage company came to you for debt collection on your neighbor's property if he defaults? Of course not. Same applies here, God entered covenant on Mt. Sinai with the children of Israel. Gentiles are reconciled under Christ's second covenant, not the first. And instead of giving man 613 laws He gave two, love God, love your fellow man as you would yourself.

The only thing 'weak' here is your argument. No where are Gentiles told not to eat shrimp or lobster, that's a Jewish dietary law.


If you believe what you stated above how do you actually accept you are under any covenant? Since you were not party to either one the first or the second nor to anything actually directly with the jesus character does that not absolve you of any concerns to laws given in the bible or any religious text for that matter? In order for you to actually believe that you have to follow anything in the bible then your above statement isn't exactly true since you accept that you must live by the second covenant and it's 2 laws.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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I'm a Gentile. The 2nd covenant included Gentiles. The first was made with the Jews. You have a weak argument. If you'd like to go there then anyone who died after the exile generation of Moses's day weren't obligated under the first covenant. But that isn't the case, it was made with the children of Israel.

And yes, I live under the 2nd covenant and it's two laws. Those two "fulfil all the law and prophets", as Christ so stated.
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posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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No it's actually a very direct argument. If we are not responsible for things we are not party to then we are not bound by the agreement. I am only pointing out the fallacy of your argument by stating since you aren't jewish your bound by the 2nd covenant. Yet you were not party to that agreement. So is this an exception to the rule? If someone makes a agreement and says ohhhh its with all my descendants are they now bound by it?

I'm not trying to be argumentative about it really I am only pointing out how your statements do not fit in these situations. Moses made the deal and the children of Israel were bound by it. Didn't matter if they were party to it or not. Same goes with Jesus, all gentiles are considered bound by it. Doesn't mean they have to follow but the punishment for breaking the rules are applied nonetheless.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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However we are as Gentiles under the 2nd covenant. Likewise, as Gentiles we were not a party to the first. The first was made with the Jews. Jews and Gentiles are mutually exclusive.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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I had no idea that one of the ten commandments included the determination to not be gay...

A99



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by akushla99
I had no idea that one of the ten commandments included the determination to not be gay...

A99


I'm not sure anyone said that it did.

However, the Torah contains 613 laws, not just 10.



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by akushla99
I had no idea that one of the ten commandments included the determination to not be gay...

A99


I'm not sure anyone said that it did.

However, the Torah contains 613 laws, not just 10.


...and the torah is but one holy book delineating the mechanisms by which the journey home is achieved...there are probably thousands of 'laws'...however, in all cosmologies the precept to not kill is included in the majority of them (note: the precept does not distinguish between humans and animals)...christianity is almost singularly distinguished by its inclusion (and subsequent commentary) upon the 'sin' of being gay, or the practice of buggery (which incidentally can occur between men and women - but this is another thread)...

I would be way interested to learn that the commandment of 'Thou shalt not kill', was practised to the letter...not just down through history, but in the times in which we live...

...seems to be much 'hair splitting', and excuse making, and 'sin ranking' propounded by interpreters of an infallible word...nevertheless, a common ground can be found in all cosmologies to address the narrow path...

A99



posted on Feb, 8 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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I'm pretty sure murder is illegal everywhere. The Hebrew word used for "kill" in that commandment deals with murder. All murder is killing, however not all killing is murder. Examples would be war, death penalties, and self defense.

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