News Item: Australia "critical pillar' in US Strategy

Ok firstly this is a rant against the US Gov and its military, not against the people.

Chief of US Pacific Command (PACOM) Samuel Locklear, speaking in a teleconference from Hawaii, said the key US ally was vital in the world order that is emerging for the 21st century. Locklear said the challenges the US faced included climate change, maritime security, disaster relief and cyber security. "All those things I view from the PACOM headquarters here, Australia is a critical pillar of the strategy we have here," Locklear said.

Honestly we are only critical due to the fact that we are in the Asia Pacific, and we are key to US / China relations (want for a better word) as such (Most would be aware that the US are concerned when it comes to Cyber Security and China). How to put the fear of God into China, set up shop near them, which has been done so far in Darwin.


Your Government, as it is loosing power, is forcing itself onto others more than ever before, putting other countries in danger, as they try to grope, scratch, lie, and scream their way back to power.

And I start to have a sense of the things of the security environment that concerned people of Australia as well as people in Indonesia, in India and other countries."

From conversations with friends and family, we are only concerned because you put us in the Cross Hairs with China. You have sacrificed someone else to help yourselves.

Australia is a "critical pillar" in the US pivot to Asia and the rebalancing of its military strategy, the region's most senior US commander says.

I have to say - GO REBALANCE YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE. Your just causing trouble for us here. What do you need to bring EVERYONE down with you.


Just on a little side note:

"When... I go down to Canberra and I sit and I look at the world map from Australia being in the centre of it, I get a very different view than I get from Hawaii or from Washington DC.

Mate your gonna get a different view cause your IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY - Stupid way of saying things But funny none the less. (Yes I know that is not what he is saying, but upon initial read, it just stuck me as silly)

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I think the main reason Australia is considered a 'critical pillar' is quite simple.
Pine Gap. ( en.wikipedia.org... )
Pine Gap is the eyes and ears for the US in the southern hemisphere.
And as a result I would imagine that's it's on a list of 'first strikes' for any country considering major aggression in the southern hemisphere.

reply to post by creatives


Yep that is a very high target area, we actually have a few places like that as well that represent Australia with regards to supporting Communications. One of the first rules of war, take out all communications. So yeah major target, along with a few others.
The whole problem is that when it comes to the US forcing themselves on us, is makes for a sickening scenario, and China has already said that they are very uncomfortable with the way the US is propositioning Australia, and the last thing we need is for them to feel "uncomfortable".
I recall when Obama came to Oz, you could tell from his speech, that he was here to Flex the Muscles of the US, and what was surprising is that he called himself the President of the Asia Pacific, now if that isnt telling us something, then how much clearer can the man get before people wake up to this pooh that we are getting into.

Welcome to our nightmare.

You guys might wanna start contacting your .gov and let your views be known.

If not, well, you already know...

You should be booted out of the commonwealth for your support of the US Empire and its attempts to take over Asia.

reply to post by Mike U.


Where are you from?

reply to post by The_Seeker


U.S.A.

As an American citizen I TOTALLY AND FIRMLY AGREE.

Keep bitching about it as loudly and clearly as you can until you have every fellow Australian convinced.

And then come back and keep reminding brainwashed Americans of just how many of you DON'T appreciate it.

Hell, I don't appreciate the spot they put us Americans in! Cause don't forget that WE are in a spot as well, but we can't seem to get rid of these elites who are running this game!

I have been trying to keep up on world news but have mostly been hitting the articles on Syria, China, Russia, Turkey, US...etc... So Maybe you should add in your thread some examples of the overall opinion that your population and then your government is holding on this. Maybe a few eyes will open.

reply to post by The_Seeker


Australia is in China's "cross-hairs" because it is a democracy and one of the few countries that can actually resist Chinese pressure in the Pacific. Trust me, they've had it out for you for a long time. I can understand that you guys are pissed off at the US because of the events in the Middle East, but don't be so naive to think that the US is somehow the problem here, if anything its China.

P.S., thanks for specifying that your criticisms rest with the US Military/Govt., not its people.

Originally posted by BitingRogue
You should be booted out of the commonwealth for your support of the US Empire and its attempts to take over Asia.

What?!!

Commonwealth is synonymous with British Empire... who started the majority of this crap in the first place. They are firmly in BED with US elites, helped to fund and fuel this corporatocracy, so how would it make any sense to say this?

You should have said "The Commonwealth should be booted out of Australia for the joint British/US Empire and it's attempts to take over Asia"

That would have made a hell of a lot more sense.

Some statements just flabbergast me!

Originally posted by Antonio1
reply to post by The_Seeker

 

Australia is in China's "cross-hairs" because it is a democracy and one of the few countries that can actually resist Chinese pressure in the Pacific. Trust me, they've had it out for you for a long time. I can understand that you guys are pissed off at the US because of the events in the Middle East, but don't be so naive to think that the US is somehow the problem here, if anything its China.

P.S., thanks for specifying that your criticisms rest with the US Military/Govt., not its people.

Stop trying to make people paranoid. That's not going to work, obviously.

China is not the one going around starting wars... Yes, There have been plenty of wars in China but in this subject you need to stay focused on this past century and the leaders of today. When China eyeballs something, it will more than likely try to buy it into it's possession, not SHOOT it into it's possession... Which like it or not, is much less deadly approach. Somebody has to take control... China knew this would fall upon them as one of the oldest trade systems in the world... and largest. They would much more likely want Australia as a friendly bystander in this and would likely settle for that, rather than your fear based scenario of them taking over Australia by force.

Your intent is transparent.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by Antonio1
reply to post by The_Seeker

 

Australia is in China's "cross-hairs" because it is a democracy and one of the few countries that can actually resist Chinese pressure in the Pacific. Trust me, they've had it out for you for a long time. I can understand that you guys are pissed off at the US because of the events in the Middle East, but don't be so naive to think that the US is somehow the problem here, if anything its China.

P.S., thanks for specifying that your criticisms rest with the US Military/Govt., not its people.

Stop trying to make people paranoid. That's not going to work, obviously.

China is not the one going around starting wars... Yes, There have been plenty of wars in China but in this subject you need to stay focused on this past century and the leaders of today. When China eyeballs something, it will more than likely try to buy it into it's possession, not SHOOT it into it's possession... Which like it or not, is much less deadly approach. Somebody has to take control... China knew this would fall upon them as one of the oldest trade systems in the world... and largest. They would much more likely want Australia as a friendly bystander in this and would likely settle for that, rather than your fear based scenario of them taking over Australia by force.

Your intent is transparent.

edit on 2-2-2013 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)

You write a classic 50 cent party post, and you then claim that I have an agenda? I am not trying to make people paranoid, don't put words in my mouth. Speaking of China, remember those acts of aggression they've committed against India, Tibet, Xinjiang, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, etc? Lets not forget that the Chinese constantly threaten Taiwan. The fact is that the Chinese seek nothing less than the total domination of the Pacific region. The sooner that people like you wake up to that fact the better. Why don't you 50 cent party shills just give up, you guys are the most transparent propagandists in history.

Antonio...

Korea before or after it was infiltrated by the west and compromised China's security? In late 19th century both the UK and the US attempted to infiltrate Korean trade and take Islands. In the early 20th century, Japan became the big problem in that region. At that point in time, there was trade interests in Japan for the UK and the US. There was the Anglo-Japanese treaty that you should probably look at very carefully because the UK was embroiled in conflict in Europe leading up to WW1, which Japan entered as an ALLY... the treaty started going sour when Japan made a Racial Equality proposal. Figures... much like your stereotype attacks in your previous post when it seems to be YOU who are making uneducated posts, not me or fifty cent. The treaty was to keep certain doors open in trade as Japan tried to invade Asian territories. When this wasn't going over too well in asia, the prospects of the treaty seemed less important because it was likely more interested in resources on the mainland continent, that Japan failed to overtake... SO, no reason to spend a lot of time on something that wasn't going to expand the British empire, especially if it involved something like "Racial Equality"

The commonwealth apparently did try to half ass keep it alive because it wanted an ally in the pacific and much like the before mentioned post, Australia was being made to get all paranoid about not having a pacific ally and it's real allies being to far or unable to help them, but only because Europe was after resources as usual.

The US, not wanting to be cut off from trade with China (because of it's resources) was not as much for it perhaps because it had not yet realized The Empires underlying agenda, which was those exact same resources.There were fears that Japan was going after & compromising resources (go figure!) & assets in China which is pretty obvious by the invasions & conflicts they were launching & All this happening while Japan is trying to take control of east Asia. Great ally there. So instead of partnering with Japan which the crown first attempted to do, they decided to CRUSH Japan & do what Japan COULD NOT. As if Japan has not yet learned it's lesson, maybe soon it will. So Japan attempted invasions, tried to completely destroy Korean culture & drafted koreans into the Japanese army to fight against the Chinese.

Is THAT what you are referring to when you say China fought Koreans?

OR... are you referring to after the second world war when Korea was supposedly freed from Japans invasions when the US & the USSR split Korea at the 38th parallel? Despite the cairo declaration in which the allies had signed that they had not defeated Japan for expansion, they just wouldn't get their foot out of the door, would they?... and we can clearly see this in the setting up of the Ryuku government by the USCAR organization that controls the automotive industry (& is why even domestic car parts are usually Japanese & clean Automotive development is suppressed because of the petrodollar & USCAR's connection to the dept of ENERGY) & refusing to give them back to China AND even though China had helped Korea by allowing a provisional exiled government of Korea to be set up in 1919 when Japan took Korea, that government wasn't good enough for the US because it was "too communist" even though it had been set up by the previous exiled powers of Korea.


And that is when skermishes on the 38th parallel began taking place... in five years after Japan's surrender, the UN gave the green light for an open conflict that was purely political. What was once a unified country with similar cultures on both sides was now two separate countries with a tense and closely watched border by allied troops who should have been HOME, but it was done mostly because the Communists were winning the Chinese civil war and WE were helping the Nationalists, when we should have been minding our own business.

Global events were being managed by this new entity, the UN, which had neglected to recognize Mainland Chinas gov & if you look at what was going on in Taiwan, you'll see that this was hidden western infiltration into Chinese trade as well. This is why both Taiwan & S Korea were set up with non communist governments to help foster a western market in Asia.

The west was after asian resources all along and wanted to control them.

The PRC did not get involved in this until the US (which was doing the majority of the fighting) pushed the North well beyond the 38th parallel.

The unnecessary bloodshed that occurred simply due to Koreans wanting their country back and probably very suspicious of regional take over by the west who had been fueling Japan's endeavors before they fell out with the west and became the "fall guy"

It ended (supposedly) when the old 38th parallel agreements were put back in place in 53... yet were still all over North Koreas ass aren't we? Doing all sorts of things to provoke them through sanctions and threats.

cont..

You see... The pyramid banking scheme is not suited for Communism and Socialism... Even though it is an unstable system that will collapse onto itself without wars and market takeovers, they still want to prop it up because either A) they are mathematically retarded or B) They're just racist dicks who want to control the world... probably both.

They did not get to see their favorite win the Chinese civil war... so they tried other measures and it involves colonizing, wars, takeovers and a bunch of brainwashed people falling for the whole lie... instead of just being more efficient and eliminating BS propped up careers that accomplish nothing, which the US and Europe is FULL of. It gives them an exalted sense of importance.

That brings me to Viet Nam... The next "victim"... which didn't start having so many problems until it started being infiltrated by the west as well... and YES, China has gone in and taken measures against forces in Viet Nam... but look at them now.

Viet Nam is still Viet Nam and has it's independence. China did not take that away and make it another part of China... and perhaps it could if it wanted to.

South Korea has it's government, North Korea has it's government.... and although there is communist support and influence in smaller countries in Asia,They are still respecting boundary lines and that is what it boils down to.

How the hell do you think so many Irish Welsh and English people are in Australia in the FIRST place?

It's not their fault but they sure as hell aren't from there, are they?

Before the European crowns started this messing around both with and without (prior) Japan before the 20th century, Taiwan belonged to the dynasties of China, not Japan.

It's ALL about trade and resources. We'll look more at the Chinese civil war and how HAT got started as well as all these other poor examples you've given who are victims of circumstance, but don't expect China to just lay down and take it when it knows a wolf is prowling around it's gates.


It's almost 4 in the morning. I will walk you through other Chinese conflicts at another time since you obviously can't see what is going on here.

China has been engaged in conflicts, yes... but when it comes to respecting old world boundaries now that we are supposedly in a newer modern, more mature age... Don't even TRY to attempt to say that China is the one stepping all over every one else's toes.

That would be the Old European powers and the U...S...A!

All of these things have been a threat to Chinese security and it SUCKS for the likes of you because they have watched this game very close and have lost very little ground. All of these attempts will be seen as fruitless endeavors as western economies collapse and China prospers because those have toiled in China to build our junk will be repaid... and it doesn't have to take a war.

It will become a war when the WEST makes it a war.

Keep talking but be careful what you wish for.

Originally posted by Mike U.
reply to post by The_Seeker

 

U.S.A.

Oh Dear.. Sorry.
Its sad that we have all come to this really. Worst of it is that the Aus Gov are just as bad when it comes to this pooh as well. Just over them making matters worse really. Also the joke that they are, squabbling like children over everything. Making promises they cant keep. But I digress from the real subject.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


That is half the problem - opening their eyes. Yes there are quite a few that are aware of what is going on, but its upsetting that even though you voice this stuff, no matter the subject matter, I would have to say Aussies are TOO laid back about this stuff.

reply to post by Antonio1


I would still have to disagree. What we have here is that China are a major part of our economics here. They play the mining game, in fact many of our resources, and they also enjoy buying out a lot of our farm land, China in quite a lot of ways own Australia. Whether or not we want to admit it. Its a threat to their bid to the Aussies as well.

Originally posted by Antonio1

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by Antonio1
reply to post by The_Seeker

 

Australia is in China's "cross-hairs" because it is a democracy and one of the few countries that can actually resist Chinese pressure in the Pacific. Trust me, they've had it out for you for a long time. I can understand that you guys are pissed off at the US because of the events in the Middle East, but don't be so naive to think that the US is somehow the problem here, if anything its China.

P.S., thanks for specifying that your criticisms rest with the US Military/Govt., not its people.

Stop trying to make people paranoid. That's not going to work, obviously.

China is not the one going around starting wars... Yes, There have been plenty of wars in China but in this subject you need to stay focused on this past century and the leaders of today. When China eyeballs something, it will more than likely try to buy it into it's possession, not SHOOT it into it's possession... Which like it or not, is much less deadly approach. Somebody has to take control... China knew this would fall upon them as one of the oldest trade systems in the world... and largest. They would much more likely want Australia as a friendly bystander in this and would likely settle for that, rather than your fear based scenario of them taking over Australia by force.

Your intent is transparent.

edit on 2-2-2013 by NotAnAspie because: (no reason given)

You write a classic 50 cent party post, and you then claim that I have an agenda? I am not trying to make people paranoid, don't put words in my mouth. Speaking of China, remember those acts of aggression they've committed against India, Tibet, Xinjiang, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, etc? Lets not forget that the Chinese constantly threaten Taiwan. The fact is that the Chinese seek nothing less than the total domination of the Pacific region. The sooner that people like you wake up to that fact the better. Why don't you 50 cent party shills just give up, you guys are the most transparent propagandists in history.

edit on 2-2-2013 by Antonio1 because: grammar errors

how dare the chinese try and take over a portion of the world when the US is already doing this. shame on them, what audacity; they should get out of the way and let the worlds No1. thug continue and finish the job, then we'll have peace!

Originally posted by BitingRogue
You should be booted out of the commonwealth for your support of the US Empire and its attempts to take over Asia.

Chinese proverb say he is delusional if he think the west can 'take over asia'

Think korea and vietnam as a start.

As far as the commonwealth australia should have become a republic a long time ago.

Aussies, as much as they like to bitch and moan about how the US is imposing "democracy" across the world, when they SHTF, beleive me, we would much rather the white, than the yellow peril on our soil.

I doubt it would happen any time soon, and Ive mentioned it in past threads about the difficulty China would have of force projection to actually take over this nation, as we would have enough time to group up for a guerilla war against the invading forces in the outback, but the Chinese could still make a mess of our capital cities.

thou sub launched ICBM's would be as much damage as I beleive they could inflict.....

but beleeive you me, Australias response would be swift and harsh.

laugh, some of you, I can hear it.

I was told over 15 years ago, that former prime minister Paul Keatings over the horizon radar was just a cover for some other high tech weapons program to protec t Australia against any invaders. Knowing our small population, we really have not much option other than a massive high tech "armagaeddon" response against any invading nation.

Wish I could find more verifyable info to substantiate those words spoken to me.