Is america a nation of terrified people ????

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Here is the link

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reply to post by bellagirl


What is important to know is the background of USA. In many cases ppl moved to the US to escape religious tyrrany in Europe. It is cemented in the American people to not leave it to their government to protect them. That is why they still don't want to give up their guns and leave it to their government to take care or their schools, health care and so on. It is deeply rooted in the American soul to be able to take care of themselves in any given situation.

It is time to change that. The wild west is over.

reply to post by Chazam

The wild west is over.

Is it?
I think it's pretty wild that the citizens are disarmed by elected officials who make the rules to state that elected officials can keep their firearms. Does that sound fair and just to you?
I agree with the majority of your post, but I think maybe the wild west is just getting a modern makeover.

Originally posted by bellagirl

Originally posted by eleven44

Originally posted by bellagirl

now this is the part i dont understand. most quote the 2nd amendment about protection from government yet in the same breath say how tyrannical the government is. and im not being a smart ass...i just dont understand.

Not trying to be a smart ass either, but what part of 'The government is tyrannical and we need to protect ourselves from it' do you not understand? (

Originally posted by keenasbro
reply to post by Afterthought

 

Right on the money afterthought.

We in Australia are going down the same path as America in more ways than just Police states.

By the way, there are more guns in Australia now than in 1996 when the ban on guns took place.

Australia is a great place to live and yes you can walk around at 2am in the morning if you have left your local pub and live around the corner, but I wouldn't advise anyone to be walking around alone in the cities at that time.

We have our fair share of shootings going on, normally gang related, never the less shootings are shootings.

Do we live in fear? I'll put it this way, thirty years ago I used to frequent the city nightspots. I advise my kids, no plead with my kids not to go into the city unless they are with a group of friends.

Do we lock our doors in fear of the crackheads robbing us? Yes!! not that that stops the bastards.

Do we live in fear of leaving our car door unlocked, because it may not be there when you return? yes!!

Do we take our kids to school and pick them up in the afternoon for fear of some nut job, pervert dragging them in the back of their car? yes!!

I could go on. I think we all live in fear to some extent and we should, it keeps us on our toes.

i agree. you are right about the things we fear.

but i was more talking in the original post of a history of over 50 years of america being bombarded with situations that create fear in the psyche of the america people....a conditioning if you like.

some people have gone off topic and made it about guns...but the original line of questioning was has the last 50 years of threats led to the whole psyche of the american people today.

To the OP.

I'm afraid so.

Speak for yourself. I certainly don't live in fear. Because i have a gun to protect myself. Even with out my gun, i dont live in fear, but i might not go on a walk at 2am like im in the fantasy no-bad-people-world that you apparently live in. Im really not trying to a dick, but theres some places you just dont stroll down the street at 2am without the risk of being robbed/stabbed/raped (if you're a woman). The fact is, theres a fine line between not living in fear and just being oblivious and naive. Your view of America is unrealistic, take a laughing-cheerful walk downtown at 2am where i live and let me know how that works out for you.

reply to post by bellagirl
I don't quit understand the obsession by Australians with Americans. It seems of late if there is a post bashing Americans it comes from Austraila...........is it just that you people can't get over giving up you guns and it makes you crazy that Americans are putting up a fight rather then just wimping out like Austraila and the UK did?
You need to get past it and worry about your own country what with the UK being over run by Muslims and China dictating Austraila's stance towards Japan, Oh and that fine lady you have running your country or maybe you like the idea of becoming a socialist country.
Good luck with that.

reply to post by Battleline


Boomerang reform.... I say ban boomerangs.... Let them throw rocks to protect themselves. See how safe you feel then.

Originally posted by bellagirl
....are americans living in a constant state of fear that leads them to keep and carry guns ???

I'll give a well-thought and honest reply.

I do own guns. I won't say exactly how little or how many, but I will tell you that I do carry concealed.

I grew up in decent county within my state. At an early age, my mom gave me the freedom to do what I wanted as long as my grades at school were exceptional. With that freedom, I rode my bike and explored every part of my town at all hours of the day/night. When I was old enough to obtain my driver's licence (age 16), I explored even more. There was no ounce of fear, anxiety, concern, etc. because I was a town full of people that actually said "Hello" as you walked by each other. When I turned the age of 21, I obtained my permit to carry a firearm one month after my birthday because I am a realist. Even though I grew up in a great area, I understand that all it takes is one bad apple to turn your life upside down.

At the age of 22, I moved into a city 2 hours away from my hometown for higher education. The cultural difference was absolutely astounding. Everywhere you look, people were in a rush, no one said "Hello" or "Thank you", and once in a year somebody would actually hold the door open for you. The city was/is filled with crime, my university would constantly report of robberies, grand theft, and aggravated assault about 2-3 times a month. The school authorities would even tell us about the murders that were occurring in the surrounding areas (I'd like to note only about 1/4 of the murders involved a firearm). I kept my firearm in my vehicle, but not on my waist while on campus because it is a gun-free zone; however, my vehicle is my property.

I own weapons for the same reason people have an insurance policy for their motorcycle, home, or even for their life (life insurance), etc. I own them in case I need to use it.

People don't have motorcycle insurance thinking they are going to get hit by a car every singe day or that a tree will fall on top of it every time they park their motorcycle.

People don't have a home insurance policy because they are living in fear by thinking a telephone pole is going to crash into their dining room or that a small airplane may crash into their master bedroom.

People own the above just in case there is a SLIM chance that they may need the insurance policy in case a bad event happens.

This isn't a perfect world and bad things do happen.

This whole gun control argument can be looked at on a different cultural perspective by splitting up the "gun nuts" and the "socialist anti-gun people" into two groups: the realists and the idealists. Even though I am a realist, I wish I could see the idealist's perspective on the world, unfortunately that is impossible. That being said, this discussion can last eons by going in the same circles every other discussion has been going in regarding this issue at hand.

To answer the OP's question: "....are americans living in a constant state of fear that leads them to keep and carry guns ???"

For a collective answer "No". Some may own them because of fear, but many of my friends and acquaintances own firearms for the same reason I own my firearms... because we are realists who realize bad things happen on a daily basis nationwide and worldwide. We don't live in fear, but we own our firearms because it is our own version of life insurance whether it be for hunting (food) or saving our life from a threat (mugger). Even though most crimes are usually small and localized events, they DO happen nonetheless. I only have one life and I'm not going to lose it because some drug addict randomly thinks the money in my wallet will pay for his next "fix".

My world is my world. You're world is your world. We cannot make the other see the "truth" whatever it may be...

Note: Don't take my post in a negative manner; it was written with sincerity.

reply to post by bellagirl


Um...no. Most Americans are prepared. Outside of being prepared, I don't ever think about my firearm...I'm certainly not afraid of a whole hell of a lot 99.9 percent of the time...

reply to post by bellagirl


The American government instills fear in the people though media campaigns to make them accept intrusion and erosion of their freedoms and to accept further government control.

Politicians are narcissist for the most part. They are con-men who manipulate the masses with fear.

We have no more reluctant Statesmen like the founding fathers. Men who saw their role as citizens first, then leaders – when they left office they went back to their lives.

It is that simple Every generation has it’s boogeyman as you pointed out.

I don’t really fear other people in America – I am a combat veteran trained Special Forces Officer. I carry a firearm with me most places though. Not out of fear simply because it’s a tool, like my Leatherman or my fence pliers. I am a farmer, a firearm is a tool. I might need to put down a horse, or a cow or hit a deer with my car – this is for my peace of mind since I hate to see animals suffer while a firearm is found loaded and brought to the scene.

Also, there are snakes, coyotes etc., I rarely think about the two legged varmints. I have taken many lives in combat, most from far away in an impersonal way (artillery, air strikes etc.) However, I have shot someone up close and personal it is not something I ever wish to repeat but I will if they try to harm my family or me.

I don’t carry a Leatherman in hopes I will encounter some rogue screw to loosen or find some random can to open, neither do I carry firearm in hopes I encounter some violent situation. However, in both instances the tool to mitigate the circumstances will be there if I need it without me having to seek it out.

While I don’t fear other people indivdually – I fear “the people” who with their majority vote can and have been in the past willing to cede their certain rights in excahnge for protection or comfort from the government.

It is the mass of uneducated takers I fear collectively not individually – they will be the downfall of America. A democracy will last until the people realize they can vote themselves gold from the treasury – as demonstrated in the last election. The POTUS promised the most comfort and gold from the treasury for the masses in exchange for their support (votes).

We are at the crucial tipping point between having more takers than givers – the end of America as we know it is near. The next step in all democracies after the takers exceed the givers has been a self imposed dictatorship.

The people install a dictator willingly (in fact they will beg for it) to solve all their problems they give absolute power for him to do so, the dictator promises to give power back when the crisis is over – the crisis will never end…but America as we know it will.

reply to post by SmoothRhythm


Sounds like you had a similar experience to what I did. I lived and worked in a city for a few years, and prettymuch hated it. I thought going to school with bad cityslickers, and the occasional weekend hood party was the same as living there. I was wrong. I ended up moving back to the country, and never looking back. It seemed at the time like a better deal to be working in the city, making 14 an hour, but when you add up the cost of living and mass transportation, I was making peanuts. In the city I was working as a mechanic, and for those that don't know how mechanics are paid, it goes like this. Say you are doing a brake job. You look up in the blue book how long it should take. Say it says two hours, well, that is what you get paid for. Whether the job actually takes two hours, or four hours, or ten minutes. I was billing at least 12 hours, working 8 hours, and still just scraping by.

nope OP, feeling pretty good

thanks for your concern

actually i'm afraid of the price of gasoline!!.... yikes! it just went up 20 cents in a day..WTF!?!?

I don't live in fear, nor do my friends and family for the most part. But, we live in small towns and rural areas. I will walk 4 blocks to the store for a drink at 4am if I want, and not be worried. If I lived in Detroit or the Chicago south side it would probably be different. Around here, our guns are tools, just like the wrenches and sockets in the garage. I've been shooting them since I was six, and it's the same for most of the kids I grew up with.

The only thing I fear is not being able to pay the bills. I don't worry about people breaking in or assaulting me, other than the occasional drunken bar fight. I don't even carry a gun. But, violent crime, for the most part just doesn't happen around here, and when it does, it's usually a domestic dispute. There is never a "gunfight" or anything like that.

Originally posted by bellagirl

Is america a nation of terrified people ????

A culture built upon the law of the gun will inevitable be scared of its own shadow.

Originally posted by bellagirl
does your government keep you in this constant state of fear with the whole lowering and raising of terror alerts ???? are the media to blame ????

Of course the government wants you to cringe in fear constantly. It is a form of control and the #1 goal of any government is to control its people. By having a perpetual state of fear over the population, the government is able to enact legislation that the public may otherwise object to as well as carry out other agendas that are hidden beneath the mountain of fear mongering that they are always promoting. Is the media to blame as well? Of course they are but you have to remember the mainstream media is basically an arm of the government which promotes its propaganda while very rarely being a critic of the government's policies.

I think I became pretty numb to all the fear they peddle a long time ago. I do remember as a kid seeing the PLO and Yassir Arafat, and all the masked men waiving machine guns around. I didn't understand the history much back then and was pretty terrifying to see these guys on the news, just about every night.

reply to post by bellagirl


No, America itself is not a Nation of Terrified People,
Nor will it ever be. Except Perhaps for "Middle Management".
S A V V Y ?

I'm a little busy trying to survive the economy ,THAT scares, me guns don't. Look at it this way, at least if you are going to die, a gunshot can be a quick death.Far better than rotting in a hospital bed sucking all your family's wealth.
I wouldn't do that either..