My Child threatened on bus today (Gun Violence), page 8

reply to post by lnfideI

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If it was a 16-17+ year old....perhaps, but a 13 year old threatening to shoot people might seem a bit strange to some people, and they would probably seek other opinion on the subject before making any rash decisions.

Sometimes kids say things which if said by an adult would be interpreted as suspicious, but as a child may be nothing more than fantasy.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by lnfideI

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If it was a 16-17+ year old....perhaps, but a 13 year old threatening to shoot people might seem a bit strange to some people, and they would probably seek other opinion on the subject before making any rash decisions.

Sometimes kids say things which if said by an adult would be interpreted as suspicious, but as a child may be nothing more than fantasy

If it was a 16-17+ year old....perhaps
Perhaps what? perhaps it may happen?

but a 13 year old threatening to shoot people might seem a bit strange to some people
Yeah maybe eh? if one has an IQ over 20.

and they would probably seek other opinion on the subject before making any rash decisions
Seek advice on a chat forum before or after the kids brains are spread on the ground??

Sometimes kids say things which if said by an adult would be interpreted as suspicious
You think that threatning a shooting would be interpreted as suspicious?

but as a child may be nothing more than fantasy
Maybe maybe not, but lets risk it and run to a internet site for clarity.




Crickets

Crickets

reply to post by antar

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Dear Heart,

You are a wonderfully caring person who obviously endeavors to be responsible to those you love.

Beating yourself up is counterproductive.

Besides, there's evidently a whole gaggle of

PROFESSIONAL CONTRARIAN, SNIPE-Y, HOSTILE, GRITCHY, HAUGHTY, KNOW-IT-ALL harpies hereon who are happy to do it for you.

Sometimes, it seems like such behavior has become the standard SOP for virtually a majority of frequent posters. What rubbish.

Ignore em. They are not walking in your shoes and don't appear to have as much as 0.00000000000001% capacity for empathy.

And without empathy, any advice anyone would give would be AT BEST horrifically suspect and probably crass and harmful.

You remain in my prayers.

I do think the idea of getting as many of the parents of all those threatened together as possible should work. It may be that your daughter could contact such folks by a social networking site or email or cell phone. It's CONCEIVABLE (advisable, workable and fitting are a whole different set of factors worth considering and checking out FIRST) that the police could help call such a group of parents together.

Anyway--am happy to be kept up to date. If you wish to do it by PM to avoid the hostile poo flingers--feel free.

reply to post by lnfideI

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I just have to note here that Antar is a well respected, well established and well liked member. She's also one that has more than one true friendship on here which transcends the simple bickering on the open threads. I imagine, given my experience with her over time, she has a great deal more than just me as the one I KNOW for sure.

That Writer/Fighter tag under her name ... for instance. Unlike the "expert" tag you typed in on yours or the "Seeker/Guide" tag I put into mine, she EARNED those two tags by going well above and beyond the general banter of whatever topic happens to be up that day to banter about.

When someone just goes off with no provocation of any kind and gets outright nasty as some of this has on this thread...it isn't the respected and long term member which has respect issues from others afterward. It's those who have taken joy in attacking which lose whatever respect might have previously existed.

That's absolutely an accurate thing to say here ..and I got general with the last part because it is multiple that have pretty well torn into this nice lady with reckless abandon over an issue that is real, serious and important for at least SOME of us to be aware of. (This isn't a Heavenly place...maybe some would feel more comfy in such spots around the net)

(Hops off soapbox)

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

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Wrabbit,

It is PRECISELY Antar's long time at this forum and work put in as a member that should make you question what she is saying. It doesn't add up. The fact alone that her Step-daughter should be a high-schooler by now, and therefore not hanging on a bus with a 13 year old should make all of her "friends" here say "what?". The added fact that she lives in a small farming community and apparently cant get in touch with other parents int he community should bring a double "what?". I have been on this forum for as long as she has. I don't often post, but am always here, reading, taking it in, and today I spent time taking in MANY of her threads going back to her joining the forum, and I am left with nothing but confusion on how any of this particular thread adds up.

Might I just START by bringing your attention to her gun control thread from just a week or so ago?

Deny Ignorance, right?

reply to post by Layla

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I'll note one thing and leave it here because not EVERYTHING is mere fodder for debate to make points with or burn people on to be publicly "right", regardless of how proper it may be to do in getting there.

There are reasons I care very much on this story and it hit a chord where it matters above the average. It's more than the fact I personally respect the member involved here but it shouldn't have to be. That ought to be enough.

Outside of what that may refer to for reasons why I care about THAT incident in particular?

I have to say...murder is getting to be a regular thing and right around where I live too. It was just a few years ago and 30 miles north of me where some teens and pre-teens for ages, suckered a fellow kid to a house, tortured him for very lengthy period and then threw his mangled body off a bridge into a local river. That was 100% about the "snitches get stitches" B.S..

I read daily where kids are increasingly wolf packing adults to beat and/or kill them for pure amusement. There was a thread on here within the last week or so I believe with a few girls who did precisely that to a mother putting her little girl in a school bus.

In this climate...anyone should ignore an overt threat to murder other kids? I also don't know Antar's situation. Do you or anyone else know it well enough to base personal attacks on? Does she only have 1 child? I don't know...nor is that something I think is proper to ask as if she were being interrogated or on trial? (I know you haven't attacked her the way. Some have just had a ball doing that here...but that's all the basis?)

reply to post by lnfideI

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Well, I'm happy you're so knowledgeable about the personal lives, habits and thought processes of other people. You say you've been around but your account info says otherwise for this site, this community and this situation.

Now I see people on here frequently that I don't much care for the opinion of. It's a natural thing. It's a BIG BIG site. When it's a factual issue for a topic I have factual basis and sourcing to support it? I'll jump in and say a few things on those I think are flat wrong too. Otherwise? Jumping in does nothing but add hate to a situation which likely doesn't need more of it as it is. In THIS case? It's a situation that didn't really have hate like this until your posts brought it here. I can't say it any simpler because that's the truth. A little Mogwai disgrees too.....but I respect him. He built that respect over time and by NOT tearing into people with no basis or logic to support it. Each on a case by case.

The difference between what you did here and that? You've pretty viciously attacked a member I've never seen be anything but kind and decent to other people. I don't know what the gun control thread you speak of is about. No idea..and I really could care less. I wouldn't have several of the RL friends I do if I judged their their political opinions before I considered them friends.

I guess I just don't go tearing into people like a hungry man to a big steak ....with nothing to gain by it. Nothing to show and sure nothing to 'show off to anyone else in doing. This is just outright hateful and ugly....and you've totally lost all respect I had for you. No question there, whatsoever.

With that? I'm off the thread. When this much ugly hate has been brought in? It's become toxic and this is about as NICE a thing as I can say anymore on it. That's definitely the sign I need to find other topics......but damn sure, this much needed said. ATS isn't...or wasn't anyway....a place where vicious PERSONAL attacks on other members were tolerated. Never used to be anyway....... It's a VERY bad thing to see THAT changing this way.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000


reply to post by lnfideI

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Well, I'm happy you're so knowledgeable about the personal lives, habits and thought processes of other people. You say you've been around but your account info says otherwise for this site, this community and this situation.
. . .

The difference between what you did here and that? You've pretty viciously attacked a member I've never seen be anything but kind and decent to other people. I don't know what the gun control thread you speak of is about. No idea..and I really could care less. I wouldn't have several of the RL friends I do if I judged their their political opinions before I considered them friends.

I guess I just don't go tearing into people like a hungry man to a big steak ....with nothing to gain by it. Nothing to show and sure nothing to 'show off to anyone else in doing. This is just outright hateful and ugly....and you've totally lost all respect I had for you. No question there, whatsoever.

With that? I'm off the thread. When this much ugly hate has been brought in? It's become toxic and this is about as NICE a thing as I can say anymore on it. That's definitely the sign I need to find other topics......but damn sure, this much needed said. ATS isn't...or wasn't anyway....a place where vicious PERSONAL attacks on other members were tolerated. Never used to be anyway....... It's a VERY bad thing to see THAT changing this way.

1. ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

2. I, TOO, for 35-40 years of professional life was tasked with interviewing a wide diversity of people and having to judge where the truth was in each person's version of reality.

3. My assessment of this mother's narrative is that she's plenty congruent and authentically candid.

4. The RECREATIOINAL BLOOD LUST ASSAULTIVENESS that has become such an obviouisly Standard Operating Policy of so many on ATS is a stench.

5. It doesn't hurt to give folks the benefit of the doubt a good long time. Eventually the truth will out. In most cases, what difference does it make. Most attention whore fantasies are silliness anyway. I don't lose anything by letting them think they got away with it. Nor does anyone else. Obsessively attacking at first PERCEIVED hint of an incongruency, out of SOMEONE'S FANTASY THAT ANOTHER NARRATIVE IS A FANTASY--is perniciously absurd.

6. I asked my PhD Dissertation Chairman his advice for life. He had a very Biblical one: Be kind. Certainly sometimes kindness = stern TOUGH LOVE. Most of the time, it doesn't. It's warm and fuzzy--at least gentle and understanding.

7. I find the mother's story a whole lot more congruent than the carping and harping are congruent with the T&C and with any normal construing of what it means to be civil and kind.

8. I choose to err on the side of kindness and giving the benefit of the doubt. Regardless, in this case, the mother has demonstrated convincingly to me that she's authentic, genuine, sincere.

9. At everyone's life review on graduation from this life, we'll all find out where the truth was.

10. For now, I'm quite comfortable and confident that this dear mother and her situation are just as she's presented herself and them to be. Have I 100% of always been 100% accurate in such discernments? No. The vast majority of the time, I have. I expect the future to show that I have been accurate this time.

Oh stop with the drama, your beginning to sound like the OP.

Perhaps you need to head my advice and log off for a while as well,your taking this all way to serious for it to be healthy.

Vicious personal attack? for what? calling her BS exactly what it is?

BS is BS, no matter if your at 100 posts or 17,000posts. And it is exactly what this whole website is about, denying ridiculous ignorance.

I have denied it, you don't like it, tough nuggets, move along.

Vicious personal attacks? ppppppppppppppftttt! move along.

EDIT:

You have lost all respect for me here and that is a fact?
Listen to yourself. Come back to reality for a second please.
Ive been here a few months and have 100 posts. You have been here for years and have 12,776 posts.
For you to have lost respect for me, makes as much sense as not calling the police when lives are threatened.

Fantasy island is the ugly side of the Internet. This should not be a full time hobby, and it certainly is not a life. Stop blubbing.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by lnfideI

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Well, I'm happy you're so knowledgeable about the personal lives, habits and thought processes of other people. You say you've been around but your account info says otherwise for this site, this community and this situation.

Now I see people on here frequently that I don't much care for the opinion of. It's a natural thing. It's a BIG BIG site. When it's a factual issue for a topic I have factual basis and sourcing to support it? I'll jump in and say a few things on those I think are flat wrong too. Otherwise? Jumping in does nothing but add hate to a situation which likely doesn't need more of it as it is. In THIS case? It's a situation that didn't really have hate like this until your posts brought it here. I can't say it any simpler because that's the truth. A little Mogwai disgrees too.....but I respect him. He built that respect over time and by NOT tearing into people with no basis or logic to support it. Each on a case by case.

The difference between what you did here and that? You've pretty viciously attacked a member I've never seen be anything but kind and decent to other people. I don't know what the gun control thread you speak of is about. No idea..and I really could care less. I wouldn't have several of the RL friends I do if I judged their their political opinions before I considered them friends.

I guess I just don't go tearing into people like a hungry man to a big steak ....with nothing to gain by it. Nothing to show and sure nothing to 'show off to anyone else in doing. This is just outright hateful and ugly....and you've totally lost all respect I had for you. No question there, whatsoever.

With that? I'm off the thread. When this much ugly hate has been brought in? It's become toxic and this is about as NICE a thing as I can say anymore on it. That's definitely the sign I need to find other topics......but damn sure, this much needed said. ATS isn't...or wasn't anyway....a place where vicious PERSONAL attacks on other members were tolerated. Never used to be anyway....... It's a VERY bad thing to see THAT changing this way.

reply to post by Layla

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I choose not to get into this debate about the truthfulness of the OP as I do not know her that well, however I can add some information that may be helpful. In my town of just under 13,000 people children from 5th grade through 12th grade absolutely DO ride the school bus together so I imagine it is accurate that the OPs step-daughter does indeed have regular (most likely daily) contact with 5th grade students, especially with it being a much smaller community. In fact we have a few very small communities in my area where ALL students (Pre-K through 12th grade) all attend school on the same campus. It is not uncommon in many suburban and rural areas.

reply to post by littled16

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littled16,

You're absolutely right, however, I'd guess that the high schoolers likely sit together, and the grade schoolers do the same, and more so, I don't believe that is is common at all for a high school student to be so intimidated by the ramblings of a 13 year old that they would keep it a secret for a week.

Beyond that, there is still the question of a very small town (population 230 by OPs count) and there being so much difficulty getting in touch with the parents of the other kids involved.

My entire k-8 life was spent at a school with 250 students. So, my school was bigger than the population of the entire town. Not only did I know all of the students, I knew most of their parents, and that was just from seeing them during school hours.

reply to post by Layla

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Sorry layla, have never seen you and have been here almost everyday for far longer than my join date says. I remember when the forum was nothing like it is today. If you had read the forum all these years then it is amazing you had to 'go look' at my post/thread history, lol, now come on, what is your truth?

reply to post by littled16

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K-12 up to and sometimes more than one and a half hour per day one way. Yep.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by facelift

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Well, maybe I am a bleeding heart, although many that have called me a rightwing nutjob would disagree.......
All I am saying is maybe to try the parent route, before ruining a kid's future for running their mouth. I would be screwed as a kid, if I were in school nowadays. I said plenty I didn't even understand, let alone mean when I was a kid. I had a "hit list", people that picked on me for not being as rich as they were.

That's some of the worst advice I've seen in quite a while.

How do you expect the parents might react? Many parents think their little snots are perfect angels, incapable of wrong. Some parents barely know their kids. So they might have a very hard time accepting something like this. And lets say the parents do believe the story, and give their kid a major whooping. How do you think that already seemingly unstable child would then react? Some kids, especially in our ADD instant-gratification culture can't see more than 10 minutes ahead. Tell them they're grounded and they think their life is over. Clamp down hard enough on an already angry and unstable kid, in such a way where they know that someone snitched on them... when they threatened to kill that person for snitching?

And it wouldn't be the parent ruining the kid's future. If anyone ruined the kid's future, it would have been the kid himself, for running his dumb little mouth with some violent garbage. Paint it however you want, but IMO a kid like that isn't likely to have an awesome future anyway, if he's that unstable, without some kind of major change or intervention. Besides, At that age they are likely to get some kind of counseling (even if in a locked facility for a bit) rather than severe punishment, and records could be expunged upon arrival into adulthood. On the other hand, if the kid is serious, he could ruin a whole lot of other lives.

When I was in 6th grade, I knew a couple of my classmates had already experimented with needles, if you follow my meaning. And some did have access to guns. Around that age I had a knife held to my throat in school. And this was over 20 years ago. You can't just dismiss stuff like this, because you think the kid might just be running his mouth and not really mean it. If he is all talk, what's the worst that happens? He gets a serious wake-up call, a harsh lesson, and hopefully some psychological help. If he's not just running his mouth, what's the worst that happens?

What if Harris and Klebold told somebody, and they just shrugged it off?

What if "Lanza" told somebody, and they just shrugged it off?

reply to post by antar

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If you didn't immediately call the police your an idiot.

seriously. don't even risk it. Keep your kid safe.

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