Originally posted by TKDRL
Ok, I will try a different approach then. Name one positive thing, that can come from an 11 year old being branded as a criminal or psychopath? Would you like it if your kid was treated as such? Would you rather you were contacted first, and given a chance to handle it yourself, before your kid was branded with a scarlet letter?

@TorqueyThePig fair enough. I concede to painting with a broad brush. Maybe you are a good one. Good luck expelling the scummy cops and cleaning up the general image of police. Depending on who you ask, I am a psychotic criminal Don't matter if the case was dismissed

edit on Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:33:09 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

I really can't believe in this day and age that you would advocate not calling the police. At the very least they need to make sure he does not have a gun. Threatening murder is not something to be taken lightly.

There is no point for you to reply to me or this thread. we all know where you stand and thankfully most disagree with you.

Lets not forget that children mature at different rates. An 11-12 yr old would almost certainly know right from wrong , Joan of arc was only 14 when she started her violent revolt. Tell the police , tell the school and don't let your child back to school until something is done. At the very least the child may need help and this could be some twisted plea for help.
Your daughters life was threatened! Think about it!

I imagine Antar will read the thread and do the right thing.... Enough advice indicates calling the police from solid people with the background to know on giving the advice.

Threats in this period of time especially, I think, need to be taken seriously.

The issue of copycatting is a real one and no one can know the other kid's history or background. Maybe he's been around guns . . . or not. Some kids who never should be, are introduced to them too young. To stay within T&C I'll also add but leave it with saying a lot of bad stuff and influences go around schools and ages are staggeringly young for that garbage these days. Much of that I know is around where I live now. it's been a sad thing to see a once quiet and peaceful little city turn like what I knew So. California as 25 years ago. There is no telling the frame of mind of the kid though.. Or why it got that way.

I'd leave it with this thought. I'm sure this isn't happening directly around any of us, but what if it were? ATS has many thousands of members and they're all over. Many in the same areas and never even knowing about it. So what if this happened to be where you live, anyone here as a parent? Wouldn't you want it taken seriously, just in case, when those are the stakes?

I know I absolutely would. That's as honest an answer as I can give for my feelings.. It's a bad spot all around but the other kid is the one who needs to explain how that bad spot came to be. He made it and no one else, IMO.

I had something like this happen to me back when I was going through grade school. I have an older brother, 3 years older, and a kid in his grade told him the same thing, that he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot people, starting with my brother if he told anyone.

My parents contacted the school and I believe the kid was put on "in-school" suspension for awhile. Which basically meant someone was supposed to be watching him during the school day...like an asst. principal in his office or something. Pretty sure if he -really- wanted to do something, he still could have though. Regardless, I remember my parents deciding that since there was only a couple weeks left of school till summer, they just kept us out and had us do our homework at home, and they took it in later. Was a nice little vacation.

Either way, the FIRST priority for me if it were my child would be to figure out what's going to be done about the kid. You don't want blowback coming down on your daughter. That's for sure.

Torq is right call the cops, remember he made a threat saying he knows where she lives. I know you gotten wrapped up that you kid is in danger, but when someone say they know where you live that puts everyone in that household in danger now.

There are something you should do be for you make the call.

1. Get your kid a cheap cell phone if she does not already have one. Make sure she has it with her at all times. I know some schools don’t let them have them, so hid it in her backpack and make sure she knows to keep it near her (near is within 5’ or five quick steps).

2. If you send her to school, make sure she has an exit rout. Look at a school map check where her classrooms are and make sure she know all the exits. Once she knows that, find a spot on the school grounds that she can hide once she’s out of the building. This location should be near the edge of the school grounds and give her the best chance to hide, till help comes in. It should also have a clear view of the main entrance to the school grounds; since this will most likely be the entrance any help would uses.

3. Ok now to the S.O.S. if some reason all hell breaks loose , tell her to use the cell phone and call you, not 911 the moment shots are fired there should be others calling 911 for the school. (note be sure to turn the number pads sound off) Now tell her to call you 3 times and hang up after it rings twice, do this really quick one right after another. Tell her even if you pick up after the seconded or third ring to hang up and dial again. This is an SOS call it lets you know all has gone wrong. At this time you can call 911 if you wish and report she’s in danger. She should be busy trying to hide and get to safety, as said in number two.

4. Once she gets to a safe spot and there is no danger around her then she can call and talk to you. But until help is there she should stay hidden. If she feels she might have been spotted tell her to hang up and find a new spot. Wash repeat number two as needed. Her being on the phone will hinder her ability to spot danger coming as she moving to a new hiding spot, you don’t need to increase her physical risk for your mental peace.

5. If the police get there be for you do, tell her stay hidden till the cop get out of his or her car. If the cop has his or her gun drawn stay hidden, wait till another cop car gets there. The police that are responding already have their hands full. When the backup comes in. That should be the time for her to call to them for help. Tell her to wave her hands over her head with her fingers spread out and palms facing the police, while calling for help. Remember the police might not have a clue who the attacker is yet and you don’t want them seeing her as a danger.

Ok that’s the basics, at least off the top of my head. I have four kids myself so I know how you feel, and yes most of them know what I just posted above. The youngest does not, but she has yet to start crawling.
There is a lot more to it, but it would take me the better part of a week to type it all out.

that lil punk isn't going to do $hit.
He is a sad little boy. He just needs a friend, and I'm sure all of this will end.

Originally posted by xedocodex
You can't just expect the school to deal with it, you have the information, call the police.

I don't understand why you seem so hesitant to call them.

Cops aren't always the most pleasant people to deal with, especially American ones; many people prefer to seek alternative routes before turning to the police.

While this is fresh in my mind I will attempt to document the conversation at the school this morning.

Talked with the elementary principal, asked what had been done about this threat and she said that the child was called in to the office but no disciplinary action was taken further as it seemed to be an isolated incident provoked by the 3 older girls on the bus who he did admit to threatening. ( My daughter was not part of the group he threatened other than to tell her that if she told, he would also kill her.)

She did admit that this child is not a stranger to being called in to her office but would not go into that any further.

Without giving away privacy, we did discuss the safe school initiative and taking these kinds of threats serious but without going over board. She said that young children will often spout off at the mouth and say things that before all the recent rash of school shootings would be taken without too much serious follow up attention.

She was unaware of the fact he had told my daughter that 'he knew people, that could carry this out for him if he wanted' which to me is a huge eye opener, did he mean his parents at home or other students?

It was pretty much uneventful, and so where it stands right now is that the principal will pull the tapes and even audio from the bus and validate whether or not the child did the neck slitting motion and try to discern what was said through the audio and voice fluctuation whatever that means.

One interesting thing to note is that when we talked about the principal keeping gun in the office under lock and key, the thing that stands in the way of that is their insurance company! There is a big debate about what would or would not be covered if something goes down!

I told her that I would use all my resources to come after the insurance company if something happens at the school and that they stood in the way of protecting the children!

Anyway, have to make a fresh pot of coffee, this was not all but need to warm up and get a drink.

Oh and I did insist that the child be talked to by the school counselor. And that a follow up by DFS to check out the home environment might not be out of line either.

Originally posted by antar
She was unaware of the fact he had told my daughter that 'he knew people, that could carry this out for him if he wanted' which to me is a huge eye opener, did he mean his parents at home or other students?

Maybe you are taking this a bit far in your own mind?

He's a kid... kids say stuff. How the hell would a 13-year-old kid have 'people' to carry out murder for him???

Don't let the media brainwash you. Your child is not going to be murdered.

Don't live your life out of fear, but love. You will reap what you sow...

soulwaxer

So your step-daughter receives a death threat, and you're going to take her to school ? Am I missing something here?

If I were you, It would be "Bring your kid to work" day.