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Is There a Way to Detect Satanic Cults?

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posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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The concept of Satanic ritual abuse is a daunting one, but it's also general and rarely addresses our immediate environment. If you had experience with Satanic cults, would you say there is a way of identifying Satanic cult members? It is said they operate on a day-night principle, where they are totally different people when donning their daily persona. If you do have experience with such cults in whatever capacity this experience may be, do you find them to be 100% opportunistic, or is there a metaphysical component (black magic, etc.) involved as well? Finally, the scale of Satanic ritual abuse varies from source to source: some say the phenomenon is a historical relic, others claim Satanic ritual abuse is alive and well. The only question is: how widespread is it?




posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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Quite alot of people get hung up on the word satanic, have you researched comparisons to Christian ritual abuse which you may be surprised just how common it is. Abuse is abuse and any real Satanist will tell you that they are just as against it as the next person. The persona of SRA cases are comprised of people who use the word (satan, satanic) to justify their own sick crimes and usually are ignorant of what Satanism is truly about.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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Well, I think the reference section is found in the local movie rental store, somewhere in the horror section under 'Satanic Plots'.


I really don't mean to be flippant about a subject some human beings use to so brutally victimize their fellow people in the name of, but the core of the whole subject is urban legend in 95% of what's talked about, IMO.

Are there REALLY people who worship to and draw power from the 'Dark' side of the energy around us? Absolutely. I've seen it personally and dabbled in it myself for awhile. Are those people claiming it's Satan? No. They aren't that I ever personally saw or had the experience of being directly related to. Nothing even close to such things. The reality I saw was much worse than the silly ceremonies portrayed or claimed by the "Satanists"

I do think there is a disturbing and growing number of people who may be better defined in books like the DSM for psychiatric/psychological dysfunction who claim to worship "Satan" and do terrible things in that belief, up to and including murder of other people.

You want to know how to prove they ARE NOT what they claim though? That isn't too hard if they are "of the faithful". Approach them with a crucifix you picked up in a dime store type location (I.E. has NOT been blessed and has NOT been given any significance beyond physical shape) and watch a reaction to something which doesn't exist as such. The same is fun to do with tap water which is "holy water" simply poured into a fancy lookng glass vial to add to appearance. Watch THAT reaction. (I've really enjoyed that stunt a couple times). If they were legitimate? There wouldn't BE a reaction outside being pissed off at the insult. The nonsense followed by some today though dictates a reaction by belief.....when the basis for it isn't even real but only YOU know that.


Oh.. the other thing? See them walk across a cemetery and NOT be phased by it as if walking across a radioactive checkerboard. In reality, they ought to be jumping plots just like that as some will be hallowed and blessed ground while other will absolutely NOT be. Those who have given their lives over the Black side of things would never need an audience to play to in reacting real badly there. Those faking it? Won't have a clue how that issue SHOULD even exist.

Happy hunting for debunking the ignorance out there! Take it from me, it can be a lot of fun at times...for the one debunking anyway.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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The muffled sounds of Slayer behind closed doors... Dead give away.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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Apprehend one of the suspected satanists.

Take them to a lake and tie cinder blocks around their feet. Toss them in at the deepest point. If they float, they are members of a cult and need to be destroyed. If they drown, they are innocent but probably deserved drowning anyway just for making you suspicious they could possibly be a satanist.

Walk in the light.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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Will do!



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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You're right, there's a lot of disinfo on the subject, and hysteria. The question is: how much of it is hysteria? There are real, tangible, cases. That much is known.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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Fair enough, Satanic is not the best description.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by FlowThruSpace
The concept of Satanic ritual abuse is a daunting one, but it's also general and rarely addresses our immediate environment. If you had experience with Satanic cults, would you say there is a way of identifying Satanic cult members? It is said they operate on a day-night principle, where they are totally different people when donning their daily persona. If you do have experience with such cults in whatever capacity this experience may be, do you find them to be 100% opportunistic, or is there a metaphysical component (black magic, etc.) involved as well? Finally, the scale of Satanic ritual abuse varies from source to source: some say the phenomenon is a historical relic, others claim Satanic ritual abuse is alive and well. The only question is: how widespread is it?


I think Wrabbit2000 pretty much nailed it. I would only add that the easiest way is to simply ask them. If they are a cult, they are a cult. If they are Satanists, they are Satanists.

Ritual abuse is found in every religion and denomination and I guarantee Satanism isn't the most prevalent of the perpetrators. Satanism (the Luciferian and the Lavey type) isn't something that most Satanists are ashamed of and won't shy from confessing to you their faith. However, if you are the type who calls anything not familiar to you "satanic" then I can't help you.
edit on 31-1-2013 by Cuervo because: Sleepy as crap.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by FlowThruSpace
The concept of Satanic ritual abuse is a daunting one, but it's also general and rarely addresses our immediate environment. If you had experience with Satanic cults, would you say there is a way of identifying Satanic cult members? It is said they operate on a day-night principle, where they are totally different people when donning their daily persona. If you do have experience with such cults in whatever capacity this experience may be, do you find them to be 100% opportunistic, or is there a metaphysical component (black magic, etc.) involved as well? Finally, the scale of Satanic ritual abuse varies from source to source: some say the phenomenon is a historical relic, others claim Satanic ritual abuse is alive and well. The only question is: how widespread is it?



Are you trying to determine if someone is a Satanist? Otherwise look at the Catholic churches for ritual abuse or a dozen other churches. I murders and crimes are committed under the guise of many religions, perhaps satanists do more but I doubt it.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:31 AM
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I'm not the type, the word ''Satanic'' may have not been the best of word choices as it seems to invoke a lot of negative connotations. On the other hand, the phrase ''sadistic ritual abuse'' may be more accurate



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by FlowThruSpace
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the phrase ''sadistic ritual abuse'' may be more accurate


Agreed.

I'll leave you with something simple that I heard from somewhere (I wish I remember where): "If you need to ask if you are in a cult, you probably are".

As far as your other questions about magic components or if there are even contemporary examples of it, I'd say the answer is all over the map. As many here have said, abusive cults come in all flavors and seem to lurk just about anywhere.

If there is a specific group that is making you ask this, can you give us some details about these folks?



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 11:08 AM
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Satanism is mostly a mythological religion constructed so that Christians could have a scapegoat to all the wrong stuff they did. There are people who worship this religion today, but this is mostly a constructed religion in the same way as the Jedi-religion. The satanists might have some older manuscripts that explains stuff, but those were never extensive enough nor used enough to claim that satanism is a religion.

Even Wicca is a new-age religion that claim historical pedigree, but they can't back most of the stuff in the religion up. At best you could call Wicca neo-paganism or mythological worship. This means that they have no real traditions but they use historical records to reconstruct how they thought old religions worshiped their deities.

When you realize this and face the fact that there is nobody that worships only evil, perhaps you could view Christianity in a different light. Perhaps the worship of God is not something universally good like the proponents of the religion claim it is. Please let witch-hunts and crusades be a thing of the past now.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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There's no group, just my innate curiosity



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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I've never met a satanist that wasn't a good person. Just against established religions. In fact, the satanist I met in real life and time (not online in the web), was an atheist.

If that helps.

Peace,
Cirque



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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That would make him an atheist, not a Satanist...oh ignorance.

A Satanist is one who WORSHIPS Satan, or does anything in their power to be an affront to God, if you talk to some people.

The way to detect: "Do you worship Satan, or hate God?" "No..." then that is not a Satanist
"Do you worship Satan, or hate God?" "Yes, yes I do...(some intelligent, lengthy response here)" that is a Satanist.



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 03:09 AM
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Why don't you educate yourself and read some books! You'll find it's all childs play. The sh*t you hear about like in Black Circle Boys are wanna be fascists!



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 03:20 AM
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I can't disagree with you because in all honestly you are most likely correct, but if they put their time and effort into Satanic rituals does that not at least make them Satanists? Albeit; not well versed, intelligent, and proper Satanists, but Satanists just the same?



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 03:25 AM
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Good post. One I feel obligated to reply to. I feel you are looking for truth for the greater good. Rather then an excuse to do something for the bad.

So here we go. According to Lavey anything that is opposite of christianity and or opposes christianity ie not accepting the worship of christ. Is satanism.

Now with that being said by the man who wrote the inverted bible. What religion is not satanism. As jesus himself did not want worship. The second coming will not worship. Therefore not the messiah. But the anti-christ.

Yes it is the anti-christ we will all be saved by. Why? Because he is not in it for worship and power. But in it for the greater good and the will of god (the universe) what is good for him is good for mankind.



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 03:31 AM
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Spoken like a true intellectual who is most likely a proper Satanist. In all actuality I believe you are correct, here is why.

The Bible (with which I am well versed for various reasons) speaks on many occasions about how nothing can be done outside of the Will of God, therefore Satan is within God's will. We can sit here and debate all night about personal beliefs on who God is but it goes without saying that the writers of the Bible had an amazing understanding of life, the universe, and everything (including how our minds work) to not have been right in SOME context.

That being said, what this means is that the Anti-Christ will essentially (via the Will clause) be sent by God, and this will bring about the millennia, etc, etc. This is God's way of separating the chafe from the wheat, so to speak.

In conclusion, I concur, and agree, good Sir.





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