Does anti-Obama hatred undermine collectively held US values?

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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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I myself am a Canadian, so I guess I just don't "get it" but from here, all the anti-Obama hatred or most of it, appears to be irrational and without much foundation, like a knee jerk reaction.

Given that he is the leader of the country, and appears to want what's best for the American people, like economic recovery and a burgeoning and resurgent middle class, immigration reform, equal rights, education reform, etc. I'm just not sure how all the anti-Obama hatred is helpful in advancing collectively held US values..

Isn't the USA all about taking personal responsibility, working hard, helping out, and seeking a better life for one's self, one's family, and the community at large?

Maybe it's none of my business, but it appears to me that Obama was dealt a very bad hand in the post Bush/Cheney era, and that he's done the best he could with the resources available to him. You elected him with a majority of the vote and then re-elected him.

Even if you didn't vote for Obama, why not bury the hatchet and get behind the initiative for a resurgent USA and all manner of progressive change for the better, which will be much easier for the Executive Branch to help accomplish and realize with the support of the American people?

It's like you're a nation divided for little if no reason than what appears to be an irrational, emotional "gut feeling" i.e.: that Obama is evil incarnate and therefore everything he says and proposes much be held up to ridicule and scorn.

He's by no means perfect, but from what I can tell he's the best you've got at the moment and may be the best leader and President you've had in a long time.

Anyway, it looks to me like all this division and seething animosity towards all things Obama may be undermining US values and US progress.

I felt I had to say something, for whatever it's worth.

Flame away!




posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Care to elaborate? Thanks.


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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 09:50 PM
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The anti-Obama hatred is actually a legitimate manifestation of the displeasure of the man by the majority of Americans (even though the state-run MSM would have you think otherwise).

The collectively-held values of this country are being undermined by Obama, that is why the hatred. And it's not because he's black, it's because he's a communist.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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Fact it is in accordance with traditional US values to question their leaders and their actions.

If people think the anti Obama people should just role over and play dead

Hell no they shouldn't.
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
The collectively-held values of this country are being undermined by Obama, that is why the hatred. And it's not because he's black, it's because he's a communist.

Care to elaborate? Thanks.

See this is just the type of thing I'm talking about ie: "he's a communist" as if nothing further need be said, it's absurd, and isn't based in reason, just hyperbole.

I'm not praising Obama, just pointing out how unreasonable and irrational the hatred is, and from the get go it does appear to have a certain racist bias, even though he's not really "black" only half black, which makes that aspect even more absurd.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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Problem is the same with all politicians. They are nothing but liars and thieves. You need proof. Just look at everything they say to get elected and what happens after they are elected.

As far as I'm concerned as an AMERICAN....... they should all be tried for treason and held accountable accordingly. I would personally carry out whatever sentence handed down only if I get to look every one of them in the eyes before doing so.

Politicians are the real TERORISTS.....Look up the definition and wake up to reality please.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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I just wish someone could put forward a well reasoned argument, that's all.. because like I said, from the outside looking in, it doesn't appear to be based in reason or fact, just a visceral emotional reaction.

I used to hate Bush/Cheney, but there were REASONS for it.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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W o w....where to start..

I've tried so many ways to talk around it because the stupidity that comes out of people in "socialist" threads destroys my faith in my fellow human.

But try as I might it just has to be said........... He's a socialist and he tried to fix problems caused by too much socialism with even more socialism.

Basically he walked in on a fire and instead of grabbing the bucket of water he intentionally grabbed the sledgehammer and tried to pound it out.

When he takes that approach does he deserve credit for trying? Absolutely not.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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Fine but can you support your argument? It's not too much to ask is it?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:05 PM
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Can you be more specific?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:05 PM
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I would say not that being anti-Obama, but rather more accurately - critical of government and it's role in general - is the strongest US value there is.
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Can you be more specific?


Can you? Are you feigning ingnorance here?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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That makes sense, but can you voice your criticisms in the form of a well reasoned argument?

So far this thread is kind of proving the point about the reaction having little or no basis in reason and logic and fact.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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Monkey Man is not one of us - plane and simply. He is undermining our beliefs and rights. Yes he was handed a plate full - but he is also full of it and unfit to lead this country. Being president of the United States is not a position for on the job training. The majority of this country has kissed the butts of the minorities by electing this fake as president - I hope we make it thru the next fours and survive the class warfare / fear mongering / higher taxes / government spying / senseless health care / pandering to the immigration / nutty gun control theories / and of course lets not forget being lied to.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:08 PM
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I don't get your logic, would you pat a captain for his efforts of sinking the very ship your on.

Oh, your not actually on that ship, me either, but I understand how it feels.

Peace
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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It isnt absurd but I do think communist is the wrong word to describe obama, its just so "cold warish"
I would describe him as having hardcore socialist idealology though.
He thinks hes better than us and that we need to be treated like children, basically telling us, do as I say, not as I do
Things that he cant get though congress, he just signs EO's (dream act) and knowing that hed have a hell of a fight in congress on gun control, he proposes these memorandums for EO's that he will sign in the future.
He was supposed to be the great "uniter" but hes caused more division among us Americans than any president that I can recall.
Nothing is ever his fault, he blames all his woes on the "enemy" the republican party and Rush Limbaugh, hes nothing but a spineless cry baby.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by 11235813213455

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Can you be more specific?

Can you? Are you feigning ingnorance here?

In what regard? I don't know what you mean?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
The collectively-held values of this country are being undermined by Obama, that is why the hatred. And it's not because he's black, it's because he's a communist.

Care to elaborate? Thanks.

See this is just the type of thing I'm talking about ie: "he's a communist" as if nothing further need be said, it's absurd, and isn't based in reason, just hyperbole.

I'm not praising Obama, just pointing out how unreasonable and irrational the hatred is, and from the get go it does appear to have a certain racist bias, even though he's not really "black" only half black, which makes that aspect even more absurd.


Sure:

Walks like a communist, talks like a communist, IS a communist.

Also, I have yet to hear ONE news puke refer to Obama as "half-black" He is BLACK to them.



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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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after watching the (incredibly dull) film "Lincoln", I was struck by just how little the political rhetoric has changed, in terms of tone and severity, in 150 years.

there are people on this board who will try to convince you that this time is different ...that Obama is far, far worse and that the whole world is about to tip off its axis or something.

political madness is retarded.





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