Hey again all,
In my previous post in this project I chose to primarily touch upon the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald brought a rifle into the Texas School Book
Depository building on the morning of the 22nd, a theory I looked at by specifically looking into the witness testimonies and Warren Commission claims
in particular and a theory which was also quite critical to the case. I didn't try to be biased, I didn't try to sway, I simply tried to bring what we
know about that incident forward, what information we have etc, and I tried to come to a rational conclusion based on the evidence we do indeed have.
I would hope this would be not just the aim of my other participants in this project, but I would hope this would be the aim for all future user’s
of this forum too.
But bearing this in mind, In this next post I'd like to spend some time on the next real, crucial part of this day - specifically the very incident
which has not just shaped many nations around the world, but their respective futures too and all, allegedly that is, the result of one man's actions.
That man, as I'm sure we're all aware of by now, being Lee Harvey Oswald. I am of course talking about the assassination of John F. Kennedy here - The
infamous incident itself.
In this post in particular, this middle section of the case looking at the events of the assassination and immediate aftermath, one which is being
split up into multiple posts, I plan to look at the events leading up to the assassination, the some crucial events during it, and of course, quite
naturally, the events immediately afterwards, as well as witness testimonies of where the shots came from, how many occurred and so on. All of this
geared towards coming to a conclusion ourselves, rationally and fairly, on whether Lee Harvey Oswald was not innocent, but was a likely/plausible
shooter. If not, why not. If so, why so.
So without further ado and of course for those not familiar with this part of the case – The assassination can be summarised as follows: John F.
Kennedy was shot at approximately 12:30pm on November 22nd, 1963. The exact time as confirmed to be 12:30 - this being when the shots were fired and
the actual act of assassination took place - due to witnesses Special Agent Rufus W. Youngblood, David F. Powers, Roy Kellerman and according to
Dallas police logs that day, such as when Jesse Curry reported the shooting and issued immediate orders at exactly this time also. Other’s reported
different times, but we’ve conclusively established since the date that 12:30pm was as close to the shooting taking place as we know of
President Kennedy was struck, according to the official story, 3 times. One shot missed, a shot struck him in the neck exiting through his adam's
apple and further continuing to strike Govonor John Connally causing injuries to his wrist, back, chest and thigh, but of course none of these proved
fatal. And finally the third and final shot struck Kennedy in the head causing a small explosion, quite literally sending parts of his skull and brain
flying in all directions. This was the fatal kill shot.
Officially Kennedy held onto life all the way till 1pm that day, this being when he was finally pronounced dead. Of course due to the severity of his
injuries, attempts were always going to fail, and by 1pm fail they did. Kennedy died, America received a new president in the large presence of Lyndon
Baines Johnson and a man by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald was now on the run and worse yet - He was free and on the loose.
But, of course, the question, especially in this project, begs.. was he guilty, or even in a position for us to assume that he was more than likely to
be guilty? Well, firstly let's take a look at events prior to the assassination which includes the position of Oswald, and a mysterious encounter with
a police officer by the name of Marrion Baker which I shall go into detail on.
So let’s firstly ask ourselves where he was prior to 12:30pm.
Information on his behavior that day is relatively scarce. From what we know, Oswald, who obtained the job 5 weeks prior, pretty much kept himself to
himself. He was a shy guy, not out-spoken in anyway. It was, to the fellow employees anyway, who he was. Well, in the period just before the
assassination took place, where was our claimed assassin? Well, according to most witnesses, he was spending most of his time on the lower floors of
the Texas School Book Depository building, not the sixth floor in the shooter's nest:
For example, and from his official testimony:
Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.
Also according to Eddie Piper
upon official questioning:
Mr. BALL. Was that the last time you saw him?
Mr. PIPER. Just at 12 o'clock.
Mr. BALL. Where were you at 12 o'clock?
Mr. PIPER. Down on the first floor.
So, we have Oswald in close to the period of approximately 15 minutes prior to 12 leading up to 12 down on the first floor of the building. In my
research through the documents on the Mary Ferrell foundation website in particular, I also found this document from Mr. Piper:
With-in Piper recalls his encounter who we know was Lee Oswald on the first floor at the time Oswald said he was there - and It was on the lower
floors,not the upper one's. Carolyn Arnold, another witness involved in this and who was never called to appear before the Warren Commission, also
claimed to have seen a fleeting glimpse of Oswald prior to the assassination on the 1st and second floor but the time of which is up for debate. The
case for Oswald if she is indeed correct however is obvious as the time is approximately. 12:15 - 12:25. As the Presidential Limousine was also
running 5 minutes late and was supposed to be travelling past the TSDB at 12:25, we can be safe in assuming, and giving doubt, to the Oswald assassin
theory with this alone. Of course it's not enough to exonerate him, but it does give doubt if anything at all. Especially as a rifle hidden on the 6th
floor will need to be found, and then assembled in time for the shots to be fired.
Carolyn was a secretary working at the TSDB, she claimed 4 days after the assassination the following as highlighted in a released document:
Mrs. R. E. ARNOLD, Secretary, Texas School Book Depository, advised she was in her office on the second floor of the building on November 22,
1963, and left that office between 12:00 and 12:15 PM, to go downstairs and stand in front of the building to view the Presidential Motorcade. As she
was standing in front of the building, she stated she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of LEE HARVEY OSWALD standing in the hallway between the
front door and the double doors leading to the warehouse, located on the first floor. She could not be sure that this was OSWALD, but said she felt it
was and believed the time to be a few minutes before 12:15 PM.
She stated thereafter she viewed the Presidential Motorcade and heard the shots that were fired at the President; however, she could furnish no
information of value as to the individual firing the shots or any other information concerning OSWALD, whom she stated she did not know and had merely
seen him working in the building.
on 11/26/1963 at Dallas, Texas
File # DL 89–43
by Special Agent Richard E. Harrison
After being interviewed once again, this time however in March of 1964 she claimed to have left the building at 12:25 that day in order to see the
President go by as highlighted here.
Now, it does have to be said that we do have around 4 or so witnesses who place Oswald on the lower floors at, or close to, the time of the
assassination. The last 2 will be discussed shortly, but one person however does seem to claim he as there too, and then elsewhere prior to the
assassination. This witness was Charles Givens who, in all honest, confuses me. He claimed Oswald was indeed in the Domino room having lunch at 11:50,
something fitting other witnesses it would seem, but his story changes rather dramatically as time passes. Or passed to be accurate. He's even
supposedly claiming that he saw Oswald on the 6th floor when he went back up after 12.
The error made, as far as I can see anyway, is blatant and proven in the Shanklin report written the day after the assassination giving it more
credibility than a document wrote at a later time. See, the FBI report claiming he saw Oswald at 11:50 is a typed-up report taken from the notes
created by the FBI agent interviewing Givens - thus there is indeed room for error. The original Shanklin report here is as follows:
However, upon being questioned by the commission, he claimed the following:
Mr. BELIN. Did you see him come into the domino room at all?
Mr. GIVENS. Not that morning, no, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BELIN. When did you leave the domino room to go up to the sixth floor?
Mr. GIVENS. 8 o'clock.
Mr. BELIN.. At 8 o'clock?
Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. So you don't feel he came in the domino room before 8 o'clock?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir; not that morning he didn't.
So he claimed that he did not see him that morning. As investigators however I would feel that the 4 witnesses, to me at least, are the most likely to
be correct. And I find it hard to include Givens in any investigation as he has shown over time to be subjective to changing his story at different,
Now, to pick up where I last left off looking at the events leading up to 12:30, the assassination period, I must go to the source which places him
there at the closest possible time, which is of course Miss Carolyn Arnold. In her previous highlighted document she claime to have left the building
at 12:25 and never returned. In an interview with Earl Gotz, the full article of which can be viewed at this link here:
Was Oswald In The Window?
She claimed that “she saw Oswald in the 2nd–floor lunchroom as she was on her way out of the depository to watch the presidential motorcade ….
She left the building at 12:25pm.” "Oswald “was sitting there … in one of the booth seats on the right–hand side of the room as you go in. He
was alone as usual and appeared to be having lunch. I did not speak to him but I recognized him clearly.” She explicitly denied that her sighting of
Oswald took place near the front doors: “Why would I be looking back inside the building? That doesn’t make any sense to me.”
* she and her colleagues shared an office on the second floor, next to the lunch room;
* their most direct route out of the building would not have taken them past the domino room;
* there was a stronger reason for her to visit the second–floor lunch room, which contained running water and a vending machine, than the domino
room, which contained only tables and chairs.
* In a statement to the Sheriff’s Department, Eddie Piper, a colleague of Oswald’s, claimed that he was on the first floor when, “at 12:00 Noon,
this fellow Lee says to me, ‘I’m going up to eat’”
Later Oswald claimed that he was indeed eating where witnesses said he would – something he, nor them, could anticipate at this time. Upon
questioning by police after his arrest “Oswald stated that … he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called ‘Junior’
and the other was a short individual.”
This can be backed up in the notes of Captain J.W. Fritz, and notes are all we have as no audio or tape recording appears to exist, of the Dallas
police, also have the words as read: “say[s] two negr came in. One Jr. + short negro.”
We now believe these 2 witnesses were called James Jarman, whom was known as ‘Junior’, and another shorter man by the name of Harold Norman. We
know they were outside originally and then went back inside to obtain a better view. The route they would've taken would take them right past where
Oswald is said to have been.
When they heard that the motorcade had reached Main Street, they decided to go back into the building to obtain a better view. Because of the
crowd standing on the front steps of the TSBD, they used one of the building’s rear entrances. Their route took them close to the domino room.
Oswald could hardly have known this unless he too had been on the first floor at the time.
According to police logs, the motorcade was on Main Street from about 12:23pm until 12:29pm, which places Oswald on the first floor just a few minutes
before the shooting. Jarman narrows the time further: he was standing outside “until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25.”
A plausible theory that I can see is that Oswald was indeed in the place where plausible witnesses placed him, and here he himself placed himself
without any possible knowledge of where others would say, and vice versa. He was on the first floor, had his encounter with Jarman and Norman less
than 5 minutes, or close to 5 minutes, prior to the assassination took place, he then moved to the second floor which had more facilities in the
Looking at this from an investigators point of view, and taking into consideration the fact he would've had to travel up the building without being
seen by anyone, find and assemble a rifle prior to the Presidents arrival, fire 2 shots, hide his weapon on the other side of the room again under
large, heavy boxes, travel down the building without being seen, be seen in the same place as prior to the assassination but now drinking a coke he
got from a vending machine and this encounter be in approximately less than 90 seconds after the shots took place, I would assume that Oswald in fact
never left this location at all. I would argue he was where he claimed he was.
In my next post I'm going to go into much more detail on this encounter, the time of 12:30, and I'm also going to look at witness testimonies from the
day, such as those who claim to have seen a shooter in the 6th floor window, one of which was at approximately 12:15 thus casting more doubt on Oswald
being a likely shooter here.
Thank you to those sticking with this.
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