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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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The US military is the one true responsibility of the constitution, defense of the country.

You need to read the constitution and the federalist papers, not take some commie teachers word for what it means.




posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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These "rights" as they are misnamed would be available to all, unencumbered, if the nation were a Constitutional Republic like it is supposed to be. The problem with these people is they want to LEGISLATE them into existence against a tide of regulations that inhibit those very "rights".



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Tw0Sides
 


The US military is the one true responsibility of the constitution, defense of the country.

You need to read the constitution and the federalist papers, not take some commie teachers word for what it means.


Yep and according to someones "definition" of socialism it is the workers ownership of the means of production last time i checked military servicemen don't own anything.

They are GI government issue.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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Does your country supply you with a home? Does your country actually hand out homes to all it's citizens?

No, it doesn't.


Our country CAN give you........."The Future.×



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:41 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:46 PM
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Bottom line on the failure of socialism is human nature and the human spirit.

If everyone is paid the same whether a doctor or a garbage man, taken right from Marx's writings, the human spirit is crushed. There is no want to be successful if there is nothing to gain from it, that's human nature.

Socialists are jealous of success and want everyone to be equally average or in suffering. No one should have the right to be more successful than anyone else.



(because institutional changes do not alter human motivations and moral behavior



What Is Left of Socialism
Leszek Kolakowski

www.firstthings.com...


And this idea that the state would disappear? How exactly do billions of people survive with no leadership or protection?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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Does your country supply you with a home? Does your country actually hand out homes to all it's citizens?

No, it doesn't.


no but you can apply for state housing,
you go on a waiting list and if you are eligible you will be placed in housing.
the ownership of the house resides with the state,
and the people get shelter.

in our country it is considered a failure to have families starving and without shelter.

you could call it compasion but dont you dare call it anything else.

infact if you are sick and in need of medical asistence you can turn up at a hospital,
you will be helped and medical personal will attend to your needs

dont you dare call this anything but how a civilised people care for its people.

you are so afraid of the words you use it blinds you to the truth,

we are not socialists, we are also not cruel to our people,

new zealand has a min wage so does Australia so do many successful vibrant nations across the world.

yes we have homeless and people do go hungry, as in all advanced societies,

but our ideal is that human rights include food shealter and medical care.
and if you think about it,

that is just being civilised not some ISM

where is your compassion?
where is your humanity?
where is your heart?

are you so hardened to the world you can say "my way is the only way that works"?
a way that pits every man against his country man for survival?

because you can come here and see how it can work when people care for each other.

in a capitalistic society that recognises that if wealth disparity becomes to great,

the entire society collapses

xploder



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Everyone isn't paid the same under Socialism.
Personal property exists.
Government has nothing to do with it.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Dont we allready have these rights? The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In one form or another it seems the goverment has allready tried to GIVE us these rights.


Our rights do NOT come from government! Rights are not the governments to give!


You really need to understand the role of government to understand what's wrong with FDR's second bill of rights.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Our country has low income housing, if you are on welfare or low income you only have to pay about 20% of your income, some people pay nothing. It's called section 8.

I have family in NZ and Australia, it is not the utopia you paint it to be.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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You really have no clue about the US.

We have a minimum wage, no hospital ever turns anyone away for failure to be able to pay, we supply single mothers with nourishment for their children and food stamps for themselves. We have shelters and soup kitchens, free education for low income.

OMG we have everything you do! You really think you are better than us? We still have a right to defend ourselves with guns.


And don't tell me what I dare not say.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Who's idea of socialism are you talking about?

Not any I have read.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by XPLodER
 


Our country has low income housing, if you are on welfare or low income you only have to pay about 20% of your income, some people pay nothing. It's called section 8.

I have family in NZ and Australia, it is not the utopia you paint it to be.



im not saying it is a utopia
i am pointing out that some of the things you call socialistic, housing, medical care and food,

is actually considered a "human right" in my country.

some would phrase this as,
unalienable rights,
god given rights
or in our case "human rights"

i guess it equates to your "right to LIFE liberty and happiness"

we are not socialists, and none of things we do as a minimum standard for our citizens is considered anything but good govenence.

we have no assault rifles, hell 90% of the population has no gun at all,
we dont have a police state, or tyranny.

people are free to "apply" for a gun licence,
and those who show the required "competence" to own secure and handle firearms are allowed to own guns.

what happens to a society when you cant earn enough to pay the bills but you can have as many guns as you want?

ps dont try to say im anti gun ownership,
i am not and our model of ownership WORKS

xploder



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:09 PM
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The symbolism is there.





The goal of socialism is communism. ~ Vladimir Lenin



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Try reading things written by actual Socialists.
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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by XPLodER
 


You really have no clue about the US.

We have a minimum wage, no hospital ever turns anyone away for failure to be able to pay, we supply single mothers with nourishment for their children and food stamps for themselves. We have shelters and soup kitchens, free education for low income.

OMG we have everything you do! You really think you are better than us? We still have a right to defend ourselves with guns.


And don't tell me what I dare not say.


ONE QUARTER OF THE PEOPLE EMPLOYED IN THE US ARE UNDER THE POVERTY LINE,

they are the "working poor"

fair days work for a fair wage?

the word socialism in this context (used by you) is used as a derogatory term.

a "buzz word" that people of my country would find offensive, if levelled at our name.

xploder



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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You don't get the point that it is not a god given human right if someone else has to or is forced to pay for it.

Things which are not rights:


Duties and benefits which are moral only. There can never be a "right" to receive a moral benefit from another, even when the benefit is owed pursuant to a moral duty. A "right" requires not only a duty owed by another, but a corresponding authority to compel performance of that duty. Thus, A has no "right" to receive an undelivered gift from B, but when delivery is made, A has authority to compel a transfer of title. Thus, until A receives authority over the gift (received by way of possession), he has no "right" to compel the gift.


www.lonang.com...


It is not a right if someone can control it, take it away or compell others to pay for it. Those are moral and legal gifts from your government.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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So Marx et al were not actual socialists?

Then who the heck was?



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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You don't take into account people who are lazy, spend too much, are criminals, illegals or only work part time.

You do realize we have a lot mor people and problems to deal with over here than your little paradise.



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by Tw0Sides
 


The US military is the one true responsibility of the constitution, defense of the country.

You need to read the constitution and the federalist papers, not take some commie teachers word for what it means.

um it's split between the military and the economy. And I'm fairly certain the economy is talked about more often.
The constitution gives Congress the duty(not the right, the duty) to protect the general welfare of Americans. Those commie bastards!
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