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Originally posted by bigman88
Originally posted by SPEZNA1
There really is no quick fix to this, seems to get worse with each generation. I am in the belief that it all starts at home, how you were raised. Discipline has all been but removed from the parents, or better yet the parents have allowed this to happen.
I have three children and I base my discipline on respect, not fear....although they do fear me to some extent i'm sure. My wife offers up the nuturing....soft touch and I guess that I am the hammer. If you are wondering....the answer is no.....I don't abuse my children but I am firm. I can count on one hand how many times I have given a swat to the butt. I am persistant and constant......I am a parent.
With that being said, are my children going to turn out as i wish?
Your right to a degree; it does start at home, but what if the the structure of the home has been slowly eroding and weakening in these parts of the neighborhood? How much rationale care, discipline, and sense can parents dole out when they have to work 2-3 jobs that barely, if ever, make ends meet, adding the amount of time available for the little boy to influenced by his #t* environment? Pops is either dead or locked because he succumbed to hood trappings for money, respect or both back in his day So mama is left to work several jobs and no time to properly instill a sense of diligence, compassion and hard work in her child. Even if she did, sometimes the kid is more influenced more by his/her surroundings and the people he/ she meets on a day to day basis while mom is slaving away at her menial, minimum paying job during the day.
Why did our government decide to give black people the freedom to do whatever back in the 60's, but then skulk behind the curtains and modify and destroy the economic infrastructure of these areas so that people must work ungodly hours to barely make ends meet, be paid less wages, increase business and property tax after a while it became rare or impossible for any resident to be able to afford to own or operate a business, force silly educational standards that eliminated curriculum of REAL history and life lessons that were taught to students, and detract or all around cancel funding for everything you can think of in these areas?Why cant poor, black areas gain any approval from then city to anything to improve the neighborhood that doesn't require the city to do it for them? That's because they don't want things improved there.
The least to no amount of capital and funding for these areas produce the worst schools, the worst textbooks, the worst businesses, the worst buildings, the worst surrounding environments (areas looking like wartime Croatia), the worst standard of living CAN or WILL produce the worst society. Lets not forget U.S. gun and drug trafficking into poor areas, people!
I'm seeing these thoughts and ideas of forced abortion and NDAA lock up and guantanomo bay, and killing them on sight before they kill somebody else. But i guess outreach programs and community centers that has been proven to turn out large amounts of former or potential bangers is not to be bothered with. Just kill them! Lets not think about the root economic cause!
Friggin gung ho idiots....
Originally posted by Baddogma
reply to post by jibeho
Gang culture grew from poverty. Economics baby! Until we wake up and give basic life support and a modicum of comfort to everyone we can, even those "lazy" and "undeserving," then this idiocy and violence will continue in the numbers it is.
It’s getting easier to get away with shooting people in Chicago.
Last year, gunmen who shot and wounded someone got away without criminal charges 94 percent of the time, according to a DNAinfo.com Chicago analysis of police data.
That’s even worse than 2011, when 91.5 percent of shooters escaped charges, according to the data.
Chicago’s top cop said the “no-snitch” code of silence on the street is the biggest contributor in his department’s struggle to charge shooters.
“The challenges we have to get charges in a significant number of cases is very difficult when witnesses and victims choose not to cooperate," Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said in an interview with DNAinfo.com Chicago.
"To make cases prosecutable we need cooperative witnesses — and those go out the window right up front. We have a victim today who is an offender tomorrow. It's a vicious circle. There are a lot of people who are not going to cooperate," he said. "That's why we have to take on the no-snitch issue."
In 2012, Chicago police cleared 211 aggravated battery with a firearm cases — 11 percent of the 1,893 incidents where someone was shot and wounded during the calendar year.
But of those cases, only 111 shootings — about 6 percent — resulted in charges. The other 100 cases were "cleared exceptionally,” which means police know who the shooter is but were unable to bring charges, the state’s attorney wouldn’t bring charges, a victim refused to testify after identifying a shooter or the offender was dead.
Originally posted by Baddogma
reply to post by jibeho
Yes, giving everyone the means to continue a basic life can grow dependency, but so what? We're all dependent in a sense and being "dependent" on the "govt" is the same as being dependent on your village, city, friends, etc.
It is the start of slowly changing our society so that the misery can be eradicated, or at least lessened. The whole word "deserves" needs a rethink. As far as I'm concerned any person who happens to be born here deserves the same material support as anyone else.
What might happen if the miserable masses had time to educate themselves and think? Not all would use society's "gift" of shelter, medical care and food wisely, but again, so what?
Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
reply to post by bacci0909
"but to say you'd never go to Chicago makes you sound like an old woman"
then i must be an old woman too because i wouldnt step ten feet near that #$%^hole
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by votan
Good luck dealing with it, before the persecution of the poor is dealt with. Thug life came about because of the persecution of the poor, and will not go away, more than likely get worse as time goes by. Thug life happened, because the poor were sick of being spit on by authorities, simply because they did not have the education to know their rights, or the money to hire a liar when those rights were violated.
Biker gangs got big for the same reason, from a different demographic. Police are a gang, but they are sanctioned by government bodies.
All forms of gangs come from feeling helpless as an individual, and feeling the need to join some group for safety. There are many gangs, and a majority are not officially classified as such.
edit on Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:02:20 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by kaylaluv
Forced abortions? Now I really know where you are coming from. Are you the reincarnation of Margaret Sanger?
Oh, like you care so much about these gang members. You have no problem blasting them to bits with your AR-15 and high capacity magazine, though. You do know the average age of the violent gang member is 14-18 yrs old, right? Killing children is killing children -- you might as well do it before they have the chance to really suffer.