Curious Canadian Couple Visits Newtown, CT One Month After Shooting

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Please provide documents that show that that is "standard procedure".

I'm waiting...

So I take it you are claiming they would just let thousands of people jam the firehouse? Not the way it works. Do a quick google search for parent/student reunion sites.

Ive been through these drills many times. No one is allowed to linger in the refuge area, for the students safety.

There is also generally 3 steps that must be followed to get your student released: 1)Show id. 2)ID the child. 3)Sign the child out. This means the parents usually must go through at least 3 different lines.

If this is what you consider 'evidence' of anything, well, you're proving my point that you have none.

reply to post by theAnswer1111

If you have spent hours researching this, then surely you have read about the ID process.

“Chief Fuchs had the children wait in one room and arranged them by grade and class. The parents waited in another room. After IDs were checked, we brought the children to the parents. Considering the circumstances and how emotional and upset everyone was, things went very smoothly,” Sgt. Daubert said.

www.thewestonforum.com

Parents had to show ID before going to check to see if their child was there.

I don't see how that is unreasonable.

reply to post by Sek82


I don't know what to think about that. On one hand, they are minors, so people may have purposefully not taken their photos. One the other hand, I can remember many other tragedies where there were many photos of those who escaped like at the Aurora shooting. Whatever the reason, I don't believe we'll ever get a straight answer to this question.

reply to post by Sek82
It does not look like a legitimate "evacuation" to me.

My view is that there would be hundreds of kids and adults visible around the school and surrounding area.

In that type of chaos, considering it was not a fire or earthquake, I would think that the kids and adults would be locking the doors and hitting the deck until they could be safely escorted out, which we have seen none of.

reply to post by captaintyinknots
Walking in circles is lingering. Common sense would have a special area cordoned off for parents and the remaining space should be for the children. I don't see children. I see nonsensical lolligagging...

reply to post by theAnswer1111


Not to be morbid, but another thing that has me puzzled is that the kids who were in Rosen's house had no blood on them. I can't believe this. If Ms. Soto's class was shot up that badly before the kids escaped, you'd think they would've at least have had blood on their shoes.

reply to post by OneisOne
Checking the I.D.'s of people has nothing to do with the same set of people nonsensically walking out of the back door and through the front in circles.

I would appreciate better debunking efforts...

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Walking in circles is lingering. Common sense would have a special area cordoned off for parents and the remaining space should be for the children. I don't see children. I see nonsensical lolligagging...

edit on 2/1/2013 by theAnswer1111 because: (no reason given)

The children were INSIDE the firehouse. A child is not allowed, under ANY circumstances, to leave the refuge area in a school evacuation. You think they should just be wandering around outside?

reply to post by Afterthought
You're right. The blood spray from a .223 shot can extend upwards of thirty feet...but it's too controversial to talk about those types of details any further.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by OneisOne

 

Checking the I.D.'s of people has nothing to do with the same set of people nonsensically walking out of the back door and through the front in circles.

I would appreciate better debunking efforts...

If they have to go through the normal 3 step process for the release of their child, then yes it does. Pretty simple.

And there you go again, using that belittling attitude that you cry about others using....

For there having been a massacre, there seems to be too many good excuses for the "nothing to see here" aspect of it, such as wounded victims being rendered aid whether dead or live, any real emergency movement to and from the scene/hospital, etc, children unavailable for viewing by parents, we could go on all day about the "inconsistencies". These types of things are what you'd expect to see, but none of them were present at Sandy Hook.

When seeing the Helicam scan the scene during the firehouse chaos, it's clear the controller just couldn't find anything worth focusing on. I mean once or twice, someone picked up a slight jog and that was it.

This event was too controlled, too seemingly pre-planned for me to believe it happened as they said it did.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by Afterthought

 

You're right. The blood spray from a .223 shot can extend upwards of thirty feet...but it's too controversial to talk about those types of details any further.

Agreed. I just had to put that out there though because it should be making everyone say "Huh?". Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
it is apparent that there is some EVIL activity going on here.

Very true, and that evil activity is being done by people who have to see a conspiracy in everything, and claiming this tragedy is just a conspiracy.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by OneisOne

 

Checking the I.D.'s of people has nothing to do with the same set of people nonsensically walking out of the back door and through the front in circles.

I would appreciate better debunking efforts...

And taking a "us vs. them" attitude will not lead you to the truth you so desperately seek.

Have you watched the original footage? The footage without the cuts and loops? Have you tried to find another explanation for what happened or is some video software editing enough to convince you.

If a video edit is all it takes for you to believe something, then you are doing yourself a disservice. That is a trick that corporate media uses all the time to sway opinion.

Originally posted by Afterthought
Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

So you think if it is on tv it must be true.....

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Afterthought
Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

So you think if it is on tv it must be true.....

Best evidence I have seen in the sandy hook debate yet...."CSI and CRIMINAL MINDS SAYS SO"

reply to post by captaintyinknots
For someone who alleges to have taken part in such drills, you seem to hold little criticism in areas where an expert would otherwise call foul.

You say they had to manage the hundreds of children we do not see in that tiny firehouse in this elaborate multi-phase identification system, yet the entire scene is a clusterflock right down to the blocked evacuation route (nevermind a lack of any visible casualty evac) with dozens if not hundreds of grey cars cluttering the place.

Who authorized that overwhelming response of nonessential personnel? Either someone incompetent, or someone who wanted the scene to appear chaotic.

I give credit to those who ask questions about this rather than just taking the state police (or any other authority at their word) then defending that hearsay 24/7.

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Afterthought
Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

So you think if it is on tv it must be true.....

That's your retort? These shows really do show you how they gauge blood spatter according to the type of gun and ammo used. It's not just these fictional shows though. I love the way the true forensic shows get into the real nitty gritty.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

For someone who alleges to have taken part in such drills, you seem to hold little criticism in areas where an expert would otherwise call foul.

You say they had to manage the hundreds of children we do not see in that tiny firehouse in this elaborate multi-phase identification system, yet the entire scene is a clusterflock right down to the blocked evacuation route (nevermind a lack of any visible casualty evac) with dozens if not hundreds of grey cars cluttering the place.

Who authorized that overwhelming response of nonessential personnel? Either someone incompetent, or someone who wanted the scene to appear chaotic.

I give credit to those who ask questions about this rather than just taking the state police (or any other authority at their word) then defending that hearsay 24/7.

I dont criticise how things went in this event, as far as the evacuation goes, because I can tell you first hand, you can NEVER keep a situation like that from being chaotic. Its the EXACT reason why you dont let parents linger in the refuge are, because you try to keep the chaos around the children to a minimum.

Why would you see the i.d. process? It was taking place inside of the building. If you had video from in there, you would see it. Common sense.

I give credit to people who ask questions and do research, not to those who throw every piece of flimsy "evidence" that they come across against the wall in the hopes that some sticks.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Afterthought
Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

So you think if it is on tv it must be true.....

Best evidence I have seen in the sandy hook debate yet...."CSI and CRIMINAL MINDS SAYS SO"

Go ahead and laugh, but these shows are actually pretty accurate when showing how forensics is used to measure blood spatter and knife wounds. These are real techniques and they actually use lasers and pig carcasses to figure out where bullets entered and where someone was shot according to the blood spatter.