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reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 07:12 PM by exitusstatuquo
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I was in the scouts, and then explorers, then the Army infantry. I guess their training paid off for the military industrial complex. If they do not want to produce soldiers from children then they might want to think about not being in the policing the world business any longer. They would be hard pressed to do it without all of us gun culture folk.



reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 07:19 PM by infolurker
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Hmmmm what is that, a dollar and a half or less per high school student?

Really threatening with that kind of big bank indoctrination money .... LOL


reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 07:22 PM by Logarock
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Unless some data can be shown of how many BSA trained "kids" used weapons in some sort of crime ect then this is all blather.


reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 07:56 PM by danneu89
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Where's the data suggesting that young people predisposed to gun safety are more likely to murder?



reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:13 PM by solomons path
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Yes, I have some thoughts! I don't understand, unless for agenda, why the coddle the child faction of psychology keeps pushing the "they aren't fully developed thinkers, and therefore can't, until they are past puberty. Without even going through the psychological premises behind my theory, I'll just break it down in parent speak . . . When you tell a child something is bad and to be avoided at all costs, as well as telling them they will get in trouble if they go near one (you know prohibition), they will immediately develop a facisnation with that thing. If you teach your kids about guns and gun safety and let them see these "killing machines" up close, even shoot one, the fairy tale is debunked for them . . . it's no big deal and more likely to be responsible around them.

If you are interested in the basic psychological principle behind this "phenomenon", start here . . . it actually ties right in with our current discussions on rights.

Reactance Theory

Psychological reactance occurs in response to threats to perceived behavioral freedoms.[1][2] An example of such behavior can be observed when an individual engages in a prohibited activity in order to deliberately taunt the authority who prohibits it, regardless of the utility or disutility that the activity confers.



reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:16 PM by Kashai
Originally posted by danneu89
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post by Kashai



Where's the data suggesting that young people predisposed to gun safety are more likely to murder?


I am arguing from the point of view of statistics in respect to what a child with access to guns as a child does as an adult, as well as onset of psychosis for most individuals (as adults) to present psychotic symptoms.

As an example schizophrenia and bipolar disorder which shows up in human usually between the ages of 21 to about 35. I am not saying people who learn to use guns as a child are more prone to this issue.

I am saying that in relation to a population and in this case we are talking about the United States about 7 and perhaps 10% at most exhibit either criminal or psychotic behavior.

To be clear I have never heardof any specific research on the specific subject. but in all sincerity and to be fair to everyone?

Doing research on something like that would need to encompass the entire planet. A good reason relates to the ethics of presenting data like that if it did not encompass an entire population.

My premise is that it is possible that in the near future the idea of have a child whose DNAidentifies them as having Psychotic or even Criminal traits, could become a problem.

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reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:18 PM by Rockpuck
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I learned to shoot in the Boy Scouts. Never had an urge to go on a shooting rampage. I'm really.. really.. really tired of constantly hearing about how guns, just holding a gun, will make someone want to shoot someone. No, it doesn't work that way.


reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:21 PM by Kashai
Originally posted by Rockpuck
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post by Kashai



I learned to shoot in the Boy Scouts. Never had an urge to go on a shooting rampage. I'm really.. really.. really tired of constantly hearing about how guns, just holding a gun, will make someone want to shoot someone. No, it doesn't work that way.


And you are correct, but not everyone feels that way.


reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:21 PM by solomons path
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In relation to your thoughts on genetic markers, for possible violence . . . if you are testing for that you will probably be running screens for all issues. If that's the case, it sounds like we are getting into Eugenics and I don't see the purpose in even opening that possiblility. For instance, how do we know the gene for violence or anything label detrimental won't be advantagous in coming generations (in case of environment or societal change) . . . with out the ability to adapt that these genes provide for some and allow us as a species to go on, we simply die out.

Don't mess with nature kid!


reply posted on 29-1-2013 @ 08:24 PM by Advantage
Originally posted by solomons path
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post by Kashai



In relation to your thoughts on genetic markers, for possible violence . . . if you are testing for that you will probably be running screens for all issues. If that's the case, it sounds like we are getting into Eugenics and I don't see the purpose in even opening that possiblility. For instance, how do we know the gene for violence or anything label detrimental won't be advantagous in coming generations (in case of environment or societal change) . . . with out the ability to adapt that these genes provide for some and allow us as a species to go on, we simply die out.

Don't mess with nature kid!


No doubt.
If this was already in place.. most of our sitting government would be either aborted or not allowed to play with sharp instruments.
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