Originally posted by kosmicjack

Originally posted by randomname
the wrong thing to do is crap your pants in fear and start shooting every unarmed person that pulls up to your drive way.

that's murder.

No doubt.

From the linked article.

Friends who were in the car with Diaz told WSB-TV that they were trying to pick up a friend on the way to ice skating on Saturday but their GPS directed them to the wrong address. The friends said that they waited in the driveway for a few minutes before Sailors emerged from the house and fired a gun into the air. Gandy Cardenas, who was in the car, recalled to WAGA that the homeowner made no effort to speak to the group before opening fire.

“He didn’t talk to them, he just started shooting,” Cardenas explained. “The first shot was in the air.” At that point, Diaz tried to turn the car around to leave, but Sailors fired another shot, striking the immigrant on the left side of the head. The group, which included a 15 and an 18 year old, said that Sailors held them at gunpoint until police arrived.

That is just insane. He could have called 911. He could have stayed in his house.

And NONE of it would have happened without a gun.

This is the point that I'm trying to make!

Why did he come outside? Why did he feel that it was necessary to shoot the driver of the vehicle, but only hold the other three at gunpoint, until the police arrived? Why was the one deemed a threat, but not the other three?

It's right there!....

So this guy finds someone parked in his driveway, and rather than sauntering over and asking if they were lost and need assistance, fires his gun in the air?

WOW.

It's this sort of guy who gives ammunition (pun intended) to the gun control supporters, and he's not a rarity in America.

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
Wow....

I wish I was as good at remote viewing the past, as some of the posters on here are!

What happened to, "innocent until PROVEN guilty"?

You read a few paragraphs about what the Media and the police THINK happened, and you are ready to strap this fellow to the table and push the button yourself?

A guy, who is a Veteran, who has NO criminal record, who has dedicated his life, to helping others....?

If this was just cold blooded murder, then why didn't he kill ALL of them? Why did he hold the others at gunpoint, until the police arrived, if he was just a psycho racist with a gun?

And, WTH is a "faulty" GPS? Last I checked, it's a computer. It must be programmed.

Something is wrong with the whole story. It doesnt add up! A 69 year old, who is in fear for his life, hits a moving target with a headshot, with a .22 revolver? The kids in the car, go to school, locally, according to one of the stories, but they need an interpreter?

I think the police are afraid of some kind of backlash, from the cuban or latino community, and that is the main reason that they are crossing all of their I's and dotting their T's....

edit on 1/29/2013 by GoOfYFoOt because: added text...

He's apparently dedicated his life to helping others, but when someone pulled into his driveway he reacted by shooting a gun into the air?

The guy was an army veteran, trained in weapons techniques, absolutely could hit a moving target with a headshot with a .22.

Many kids going to school in the USA can't speak English.

GPS's send people the wrong way all the time. They can definitely be faulty. Just ask the BC couple who were driving to Vegas and followed their GPS, only to wind up in the desert. When the husband tried to walk out, he died.

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
The reason being is that you can duck and dodge and a bullet fired from a typical home defense gun is no bigger than the end of your pinky finger at the largest. That leaves a lot of room to miss a moving target.

Wow, someone needs to stop watching movies. That is complete and utter bs.

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt

That's hearsay!!! There is NO proof, that there was no communication!
Unarmed? The driver was in control of a 4,000 pound weapon! Versus a .22 revolver...

Come on...You can do better. I have faith in you!

Why are you trying to hard to defend him? It's obvious that they were unarmed, the passengers have no reason to lie, he made no attempt to use his "4,000 pound weapon", the murderer didn't even attempt to talk to them, he came straight out and shot the gun.

This was a cold blooded murder, plain and simple. An old nutter got caught up in all the gun hysteria going around the US since the recent tragedies, the irrational belief that the president's men were going to come a'knocking and take his gun(s) away gave him an itchy trigger finger. Stand your ground, right? By golly, as a 'Murican he has the right given to him by God himself and his messengers, the founding fathers, to use his rifle to defend his driveway.

So when some suspicious looking confused brown people get the wrong address and sit in their car in his driveway waiting for a friend, gul'durnit, the Founding Fathers expect nothing less than for him to shoot to kill.

Thankfully, the police felt differently. This 69 year old man will spend the rest of his natural life in prison, will probably die behind bars. I wonder if it was worth it.

Events like this give responsible gun owners like myself a bad name. It pisses me off, this notion that you can shoot first and ask questions later, if you even bother to ask questions.

It's not the wild west any more, people.

And really this story doesn't add up. I am going to go ahead and say I think the kids in the car are lying about what they were doing there. So they were on their way to ice-skate and were headed to pick up a friend....strange as usually when I consider someone a friend and am going to do something with them I have been to their house before and know where they live. And I guess none of these kids had a cell phone to call their friend and say where is your house exactly, but they did have GPS? Something doesn't add up to me....I will be watching for this story on the news as I live in GA.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Vasa Croe
The reason being is that you can duck and dodge and a bullet fired from a typical home defense gun is no bigger than the end of your pinky finger at the largest. That leaves a lot of room to miss a moving target.

Wow, someone needs to stop watching movies. That is complete and utter bs.

Really...which part? I am not saying a matrix style maneuver, I am saying that the average person with a gun will not hit a moving target if they are indeed running away, or even towards the shooter. And sorry....I did not include a shotgun in my "size of a pinky finger" statement....a shotgun obviously has a much wider impact zone.

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt
Wow....

I wish I was as good at remote viewing the past, as some of the posters on here are!

What happened to, "innocent until PROVEN guilty"?

You read a few paragraphs about what the Media and the police THINK happened, and you are ready to strap this fellow to the table and push the button yourself?

A guy, who is a Veteran, who has NO criminal record, who has dedicated his life, to helping others....?

If this was just cold blooded murder, then why didn't he kill ALL of them? Why did he hold the others at gunpoint, until the police arrived, if he was just a psycho racist with a gun?

And, WTH is a "faulty" GPS? Last I checked, it's a computer. It must be programmed.

Something is wrong with the whole story. It doesnt add up! A 69 year old, who is in fear for his life, hits a moving target with a headshot, with a .22 revolver? The kids in the car, go to school, locally, according to one of the stories, but they need an interpreter?

I think the police are afraid of some kind of backlash, from the cuban or latino community, and that is the main reason that they are crossing all of their I's and dotting their T's....

edit on 1/29/2013 by GoOfYFoOt because: added text...

He's apparently dedicated his life to helping others, but when someone pulled into his driveway he reacted by shooting a gun into the air?

The guy was an army veteran, trained in weapons techniques, absolutely could hit a moving target with a headshot with a .22.

Many kids going to school in the USA can't speak English.

GPS's send people the wrong way all the time. They can definitely be faulty. Just ask the BC couple who were driving to Vegas and followed their GPS, only to wind up in the desert. When the husband tried to walk out, he died.

Did he admit to firing the "warning" shot? I didn't see that anywhere...

You can't just assume that the fatal shot was intentional! That's a tough shot for a much younger man with a more accurate weapon.

My point with the language comment, was that if there was a barrier between the witnesses and the investigators,
then a translator might just add to it! Spanish has many, many dialects! And, I would understand if they were much younger, but they were teenagers. And the article stated that the deceased had only been in the US for a short time. It didn't mention the status of the witnesses.

I've seen GPS's that were not properly updated, that would show roads that weren't there, and vice-versa. But, a GPS is a tool! I would never put my complete faith in a tool. Especially, one that is so prone to error. I just noticed how the articles tried to downplay how the kids ended up at the gentleman's residence.

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by GoOfYFoOt

That's hearsay!!! There is NO proof, that there was no communication!
Unarmed? The driver was in control of a 4,000 pound weapon! Versus a .22 revolver...

Come on...You can do better. I have faith in you!

Why are you trying to hard to defend him? It's obvious that they were unarmed, the passengers have no reason to lie, he made no attempt to use his "4,000 pound weapon", the murderer didn't even attempt to talk to them, he came straight out and shot the gun.

I'm trying to defend LOGIC! And, the rule of LAW!

Why are you so quick to condemn him? The only thing that is obvious, is that a young man is dead! And, a 69 year old man is in jail!
How can you be so sure, that this story is cut and dried?
Were you there?

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Your wasting your time OP.

If Ive learnt anything from this site its that gun owners dont care and everyone else already knows.

If your American join whatever you have in the way of the Anti NRA, if your not American just be thankful there arent a 100+ million armed extremists walking around your country.

Telling armed Yanks guns are bad is like telling a hardcore Muslim that the Koran is BS, best case scenario is a pointless argument with someone who has made up their mind regardless of common sense.

S&F anyway

Yes, I am an American and I'm doing everything within my Constitutional power to make sure some logical gun control gets passed.

I know it seems like a futile action, but one of the things those of us that see the errors of wanting to live in the Wild West is to make sure we point out whenever someone is gunned down for absolutely no reason except that gun owners are paranoid and think everyone that pulls up in their driveway, or is walking in their neighborhood with a hoodie, or knocks on their door is out to kil them.

This happens more than people talk about...and even when it is brought up (as you see here) all the pro-gun people defend the shooter and make excuses. Little do they know, this just gives more reasons for gun control.

I don't think anyone is trying to suppress the story. The fact is we don't have the facts. The anti-gun crew is jumping on this story from only reading a very brief news blurb about it and it is completely one-sided. If you really want to make a post about this story without knowing any of the facts then you should expect the reaction that has occurred.