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reply posted on 22-2-2013 @ 09:59 AM by Grifter42
reply to post by EartOccupant


Once again, I appreciate your fact checking, Harte. But is it that crazy to believe that there was another civilization here before us? Now, I'm not talking about Atlantis, but something akin to Atlantis. I know Atlantis was intended to be taken as allegorical by Plato. If something out of the sphere of human control occurs, modern authorities aren't that competent in dealing with it. These days, if they can't just shoot it dead, they don't know what to do with it. Like the oil spill, or the Fukushima crisis. A couple days ago, I had a thought. A fantasy, or vision, perhaps. The world's nuclear stockpile laid disassembled, and the masses rejoiced. And then an asteroid loomed over the sky, and the powers that be were powerless to stop it.

I suppose this thread could be a result of my thoughts and fear of on a cosmic scale how easily the human race could be wiped back to the stone age. To the age of irrationalism. Folks living their entire lives in bunkers, degenerating. Shallow gene pool in them bunkers. After a few dozen inbred generations, the upper class folks who somehow made it to these bunkers would be less than what they were when they went in. Less intelligent, less strong. Perhaps the spawn of the Bush clan in those times might never see the sun. Rockefellers and Rothschilds, trapped in an underground limbo of their own creation. Not really alive, not really dead. Just waiting for the sake of waiting, and counting time.

Perhaps that after a sufficient amount of time, the inhabitants might become less learned, and more superstitious. They might come to revere the men who constructed the bunker as gods, if the parents do not see fit to educate them. No history teachers in the post apocalyptic world. Perhaps they may come to regard the computers which run the bunker as deities, worshipping the monolithic SAGE computers as actual sages.

Time will tell.


reply posted on 22-2-2013 @ 02:40 PM by Harte
Originally posted by Grifter42
reply to post by EartOccupant

Once again, I appreciate your fact checking, Harte. But is it that crazy to believe that there was another civilization here before us?

Certainly not, it's not crazy at all. It's merely absolutely speculative.

There are a bunch of people here that talk about this idea as if it were fact. Many here state outright that they "know" it is true. As long as people recognize that there is not one whit of evidence for this claim, it's perfectly legitimate to speculate on it.

My problem with it is that it is just fantasy. I mean, it could be useful if there were some "problem" or situation that such a thing could possibly resolve, but there's not.

Originally posted by Grifter42
I suppose this thread could be a result of my thoughts and fear of on a cosmic scale how easily the human race could be wiped back to the stone age. To the age of irrationalism.

Look around. We already live in an age of irrationalism. After all the most powerful person on Earth has proclaimed over and over that, should the US return to 2011 spending levels, teachers, firemen and air traffic controllers will lose their jobs. And a majority of Americans appear to buy that total B.S.

I think the idea that the Human race could be wiped out back to the stone age is unfounded. Perhaps you should look into what the stone age was.

And even if we were, so what? Beats extinction doesn't it? You and I would be dead either way, regardless of the condition of humanity after some catastrophe.


Harte


reply posted on 22-2-2013 @ 03:44 PM by Grifter42
Originally posted by Harte

There are a bunch of people here that talk about this idea as if it were fact. Many here state outright that they "know" it is true. As long as people recognize that there is not one whit of evidence for this claim, it's perfectly legitimate to speculate on it.


I never claimed that this was a sure thing. Just speculation and conjecture.

Originally posted by Harte
My problem with it is that it is just fantasy. I mean, it could be useful if there were some "problem" or situation that such a thing could possibly resolve, but there's not.


Most conspiracies are little more than paranoid fantasy. Nonsense like the reptilians, and the moon landing being a hoax, and so on. But I try to specialize in the things that could have plausibly happened.

Originally posted by Harte
I think the idea that the Human race could be wiped out back to the stone age is unfounded. Perhaps you should look into what the stone age was.

And even if we were, so what? Beats extinction doesn't it? You and I would be dead either way, regardless of the condition of humanity after some catastrophe.
Harte


You ever hear of the Toba event? It's what they think nearly wiped us out 70,000 years ago. Brought us down to only 10,000 people. It's the reason that all of humanity can trace their lineage back to a couple people, the genetic adam and eve. It's happened before, and could happen again. Let's say another super volcano eruption happens. You think mankind is just gonna shrug it off? It's just gonna shrug off massive famine, an atmosphere blanketed with volcanic gases and a huge drop in temperature? We're talking the decimation of life as we know it. The death of agriculture. No more agriculture, no more seven billion people.


reply posted on 21-3-2013 @ 12:20 AM by hangedman13

You'd basically have to be an infant survivor in order to be forced into the stone age. There are enough regular people around that at least know what electricity is, for example. Iron and copper would not have to be rediscovered. Etc.
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I take issue with that statement because humanity is it's own worse enemy in that regards. Competition for remaining tech would escalate into wars for it rather quickly and that doesn't even cover those who would shun it as evil {and more than likely start another religion} As for evidence of advanced cultures I got a mainstream one for the discussion. The Antikythera mechanism, gear work like that wasn't done again till the the 14th century. Not saying that everyone had devices like that, but it is odd that a device of that complexity existed at that time.


reply posted on 21-3-2013 @ 12:59 PM by Harte
Originally posted by hangedman13


You'd basically have to be an infant survivor in order to be forced into the stone age. There are enough regular people around that at least know what electricity is, for example. Iron and copper would not have to be rediscovered. Etc.
reply to post by Harte


I take issue with that statement because humanity is it's own worse enemy in that regards. Competition for remaining tech would escalate into wars for it rather quickly and that doesn't even cover those who would shun it as evil {and more than likely start another religion}


You mean like exactly what happened in the bronze age and the iron age (and even the stone age.)

People know what copper is. There is a huge amount of copper all over the world. Some of it in scrap, some of it in pure form lying on the surface (in Michigan, for example.)
A catastrophic event would not make people forget what copper is or how to use it.

Hence - no stone age.

If you need other examples, I got a million of them,.

As for evidence of advanced cultures I got a mainstream one for the discussion. The Antikythera mechanism, gear work like that wasn't done again till the the 14th century. Not saying that everyone had devices like that, but it is odd that a device of that complexity existed at that time.

It may seem odd to you, but geared mechanisms existed prior to that one. Just not as complex.

The greater question in my mind is why nobody ever thought to use the fine gears they could create to make other fine gears, and other things like screws and nuts.

No, they simply used them for either very basic purposes (one was an odometer) or spiritual purposes (the Antikythera mechanism itself.)

Hardly an advanced culture, mainly because of this.

Harte

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