Obama's DHS Ammunition Containers, what does it mean?, page 5


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reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 02:14 PM by nenothtu
Originally posted by smurfy
reply to
post by Blundo



It's not Obama's DHS, that's before his time. This is what DHS are responsible for,


It may have originated during the reign of King George Bush II, but it's all Obama's now, since it's his watch and he's not disbanded them.

Regarding your list of agencies under the DHS banner, what on Earth do you suppose the national Guard is doing in that list? They're supposed to be state, not federal. That in combination with the "fusion centers" and DHS taking over local police departments through the carrot-dangling maneuver of federal funding does seem to be yet another indicator of the far over-reaching power grab that is the modern DHS.


reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 02:35 PM by nenothtu
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to
post by Daedalus



I don’t know if this is the case but hollow points use less lead so since they are buying in bulk there should(read that as should) be a price difference to where training with hollow points makes more sense. I reload my own ammo so there isn’t any difference in how it’s done between the two. I know some people that do train with the rounds they would regularly carry. I don’t know about whether 9mm or .40 is the standard carry or not but I know .40 is preferred by most.


When I was armed security, we trained with the same rounds we qualified with - RNL. Because we qualified with RNL, we were supposed to carry the same, because if we had to pop some one, there would be a field day among the lawyers in court if we had used hollow points to do so. The argument would have been made that our intent was to kill, because of the hollow points.

I carried ny-clad hollow points, personally, because if I had to pop some one, my intent was damn sure not to just tickle them. I got called on the carpet once for carrying hollow points. The bosses were not pleased.

Generally speaking, you train with what you qualify with, and you carry what you have qualified with. It makes the legal defense a lot easier.
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