Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by spy66
The argument you are using is basically saying, something that complex couldn't have happened by chance.
You don't see the problem with that logic?
It is true some believe in Chance. But what is the probability for the Chance they put blind faith in?
Is it logical to conclude that design had a desginer?
Would it be logical, for example to conclude that if we found a house in the middle of a barren desert, and inside it it is fully furnished, and it
has air-conditioning, and a refrigerator full of food, would it be reasonable to conclude that that house had a constructor? Or is it really
illogical to conclude that if we ran across that house in the desert that someone put it there. Would you ridicule someone for concluding it had a
Yet you ridicule people for observing the much more complicated and wonderful design in life and come to a logical conclusion that it too must have
had someone that put it together. That is not illogical.
But let's go back to your Chance that you blindly put your faith in.
Let us take a simple illustration to really see if your accusation has any merit.
Take a pile of red beans and a pile of white beans. Mix them together thoroughly so that there are an equal part red and white beans in a jar. Now
there is one more thing you should know. There are over a hundred variety of beans in the jar. So out of the red and white beans there are over a
hundred different types of each one, and they are completely mixed.
Now take a scoop and dip it into the jar. What are the chances, or what is the likelihood that you will scoop up only red ones, by chance? And not
only all red ones, but only twenty specific varieties of beans. And no others. But wait, also include the fact that each of these must be in a
preassigned place in that scoop. That means that before you scooped them up you marked where each variety of bean would land, and already stated that
all of them would be red. And you already knew that none of the other varieties of beans, and no white colored beans would by chance be scooped
Would it be illogical to conclude that this could not happen?
In the world of proteins, you make one mistake in the makeup and everything required to make one would fail. You couldn't have one.
Let's take this a step further to consider how logical it is to believe in Chance. What are the probabilities that even a simple protein molecule
could form at random in an organic soup? Evolutionists state that the chancees are only 1 in 10 ^113 (that is 1 followed by 113 zeros). Now
staticians will state that if anything that has a probability of happening that is greater than 10 ^50, is an impossibility. It could never
A thinking person can logically conclude that your Chance is indeed a quasi-religious god to whom unknown and awesome powers is given.
But in a human cell we don't have just one protein. And these proteins cannot live on their own, they need the help of enzmes that help speed up
chemical reactions in the cell. Without them the cell would die. Now over 2,000 (not just one as in the example above) proteins are needed along
with enzyems are needed. What are the chances of all of these coming about by chance, as stated in the illustration above?
One chance in 10 ^40,000 (a 10 with 40,000 zeros after it). Can you even begin to imagine that type number? It is beyond all human power to grasp,
the tininess of it.
In fact if you were to take a primordial soup, not the size of the prehistoric oceans on earth, but the size of the entire universe. An ocean the
size of our UNIVERSE, the probabilities of a protein coming together by chance would take billions of times the lifetime of our present universe to
get the combination right.
The simple calculations leave no chance for Chance. There is no way for it to come about by chance. A logical person is faced with no other
To think that it is a fact that it did happen, over and over and over and over again is either a gross lack of understanding*, or a blind faith beyond
all comprehension of understanding for a logical person that has become informed of the real facts.
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