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posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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The Roman Catholic Church's international business- and real estate portfolio was built up largely with money the church was handed by Mussolini in return for papal recognition of the Italian fascist regime in 1929. The Guardian says, "The surprising aspect for some will be the lengths to which the Vatican has gone to preserve secrecy about the Mussolini millions."


The Guardian Story




posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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So now we know WHY the Vatican owns 25 percent of the world's gold bullion...

More gold than all world governments combined in fact.( Source )


The Vatican solid gold bullion worth billions, is stored with the Rothschild controlled Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve Bank.

The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator, and property owner in existence. Possessing more material wealth than any bank, corporation, giant trust, or government anywhere on the globe. The Pope, who is the visible ruler of this colossal global wealth is one of the richest men on Earth. While two-thirds of the world earns less than two dollars a day, and one-fifth of the world is under fed or starving to death, the Vatican hordes the world’s wealth, profits from it on the stock market, and at the same time preached about giving.

servantofthelight.com...






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posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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Being Christian means nothing when your the furthest from Christ like



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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correction, Christ is the richest on earth as the pope is His representative on earth, The Pope.

Why would you know what Christ is doing with the money, His money. I suspect it would be what He was doing on earth, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, and possibly building weapons of war to destroy His enemies.

He said when He was on earth He will bring peace, the second time is to lay waste to all His enemies.

Those who are not His enemies will be spared, He is the King.

Take this warning and be safe.

Ask yourself, is humanity His enemy.
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posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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Christ doesnt need the gold. He will turn over the Vatican like he did the tables of the money changers. Perhaps you should read about the sudden death of Aquilla & Priscilla. Peter had something to do with it. So did gold.

I set in a catholic church in a prominent area of Louisville and the bishop of st thomas island was showing us slides of st thomas. Many poor people. We all had little golden envelopes at the ends of pews. We could allcome visit anytime after all we were gonna "HELP" the poor of St Thomas. At the end he told us the "church" ther not the clergy mind you had lost $500, 000. You see they had naively invested it with man named Bernie Madoff and we all know what happened then. It took everything I had to not interupt this service. Out of respect of my inlaws I walked out.

All the Apostles said the money collection was for one thing. One thing only. Guess what not hoarding. It was for the needy destitute saints. Am I implying all churches are wrong. No. I am stating a fact. The collection is for needy SAINTS. Not coffe shops gyms clubs ball teams or fellowships. Not rolls royce ministries not $5000 versace suits cardinals wear before obtaining head usurper.

Christ said his Kingdom was not of this world. When will man get this out of his hard head. Or should I say hardened hearts.

If you say there is no church out there. There is one collective group of autonomous bodies. It is called the churche of Christ. Ha. Why would it be called anything else?
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posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
So now we know WHY the Vatican owns 25 percent of the world's gold bullion...

More gold than all world governments combined in fact.( Source )

Wow! Wordpress.com blog by anonymous moron says that the Vatican owns 25% of the world's gold bullion!

With "journalists" such as that, who needs facts, eh?

These guys: Who Owns Most of the World's Gold? don't even list the Vatican among the top 10 holders.

We've seen you cite sources that claim there are Nazi bases on the moon, is this another one of them?



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by adjensen
With "journalists" such as that, who needs facts, eh?

These guys: Who Owns Most of the World's Gold? don't even list the Vatican among the top 10 holders.

We've seen you cite sources that claim there are Nazi bases on the moon, is this another one of them?

Speaking of FACTS...

You will NEVER get them from confirmed liars.

You ARE interested in facts I presume...

MOST of us don't consider the Bilderberg's to be a reliable source.


To find out who owns the most gold in the world, we referred to data from the International Monetary Fund's International Financial Statistics Report. www.wealthdaily.com...

The Bilderberg Group controls the International Monetary Fund (IMF)

The IMF is owned and controlled by the elite.

The elite are controlled by the "Men from Below" AKA the Jesuits.



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
The Bilderberg Group controls the International Monetary Fund (IMF)

The IMF is owned and controlled by the elite.

The elite are controlled by the "Men from Below" AKA the Jesuits.


So, let's follow the trail then.

Jesuits -> Bilderbergs -> IMF -> World's gold supply

Right? So the world's economy is actually run by a small order of the Catholic church, most of whom are scientists and teachers?

And your non-crazy source for this revelation is? Cause I've seen your crazy ones, and Alberto Rivera, as an example, is not a credible source.

I'd suggest not posting theories that a two year old could see through, such as the one I debunked here: www.abovetopsecret.com... (I know that wasn't you, I'm just using it as a recent example.)



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
And your non-crazy source for this revelation is?

Jesus.

HE is the truth:


“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me.”


He's also a pretty reliable source as well.

Jesus exposed the people that crucified Him and accused Him of blasphemy while He was still on the Earth:


Note the illuminati in Jesus' day:

"He exposed the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) he denounced those who belonged to it as sons of the devil (Lucifer), whom he castigated as the father of lies (John 8:44) and the prince of deceit (2 Cor. 11:14). He was specific in his statement that those who comprised the synagogue of Satan were those who called themselves Jews, but were not, and did lie (Rev. 2:9; 3:9). He identified the Money-Changers (Bankers) the Scribes, and the Pharisees as the Illuminati of his day.

Illuminati Roots From the book: Pawns Of The Game


Once you realize that we are being inundated with LIES, this stuff is actually pretty easy to figure out.


One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature.

The Synagogue of Satan


Satan and his Illuminati BOTH go clear back to the Garden...



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

The Synagogue of Satan

Satan and his Illuminati BOTH go clear back to the Garden...


Texe Marrs, eh?

From his home page:


Click to hear this week’s Power of Prophecy program by Texe Marrs FREE:

The Holocaust—Have We Been Lied To?

Texe Marrs interviews Victor Thorn, author of The Holocaust Hoax Exposed




So... no, no non-crazy sources for your ridiculous claims.



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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Define "rich"?

Wealth? Gold? Money?




posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
So now we know WHY the Vatican owns 25 percent of the world's gold bullion...
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By that logic, Italy had 1/4 of the worlds gold at the time and gave ALL of it to the Church. Is that truly what you believe? Because neither seem reasonable to me.

Eric



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 01:27 AM
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Are you saying that the Church should not invest it's money?


Eric



posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:49 PM
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The apostles under inspiration of the Holy Spirit never granted the authority to do so in any of the surviving letters. It is for edification (books bibles education material place to worship) and helping needy saints. You see. Any other way opens corrupting avenues.
What directions do we take? Who do we invest in? What is your goal and outcome once you yave $10-20-30 milion. Is the ministrr there spiritually or is he enioying his cash cow? Does he move and take his ministries elsewhere to meet spiritual gwrowth or stay and live off a community in mansions. The message of Joyce Brothers and Olsteen have never changed. "God wants you to be rich eg. Happy on earth. Look at me"
My God Jesus said many times MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. MAN CANNOT SERVE THE KINGDOM AND MAMMON.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 12:07 AM
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The problem of saying "the Apostles did this" or "the Apostles did that", as well as "Jesus did this" and "Jesus did that" is that nothing that we have is a complete history of what they did or said, so we're left with interpolation.

Did Jesus or the Apostles tell you that it's okay to use a computer? To access AboveTopSecret.com?

No, of course not, so you're left with your interpretation of those things.

Condemning anyone else, based on those interpretation, is completely irrational.



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 05:30 AM
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Please note, I will be quoting from a work by Mark Aarons (an international award winning investigative reporter) and John Loftus (a former prosecutor with the US Justice departments Nazi-hunting unit, who was given unprecedented access to top-secret CIA and NATO archives).


...the ugliest secret of World War II: the bloody circle of Western money laundered through Switzerland to the Third Reich, then out through the Vatican Bank to South America, and then finally back to the original owners in Germany. The entire, corrupt system was established for the profit of a few pro-Nazi Western investors, and to ensure that the Vatican Bank would keep the ledgers of St Peter's balanced no matter who won World War II...
...the moral is that you can get away with murder, if you are rich enough. In the end the Nazis - with the help of their Western and Vatican collaborators - got away with it.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. xv



...it [the Vatican] is notable for its silence on the Vatican's Ratlines which were set up to help the guilty mass murderers evade justice.
...Not surprisingly, it has nothing to say about the Vatican's decision to invest in the Third Reich in the 1930's, nor about the extraordinary lengths the Church went to in order to recover its fortune from the ashes of the Third Reich. Nor does it address the Church's role in putting the Vatican Bank at the disposal of the Nazis and their many Western investors so they could illegally transfer their wealth - much of it stolen from their victims...
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. xvii-xviii



...Bishop [Gregorij] Rožman laundered money on the black market in Switzerland, and that some or all of the funds were the Ustashi's plundered treasure, smuggled out of Yugoslavia by the Church and British Intelligence. Draganovic admitted that he took some of this money to the Vatican.
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We find sufficient evidence to accuse the Vatican of receiving stolen property, and overwhelming evidence that they trafficked in stolen or fraudulently obtained documents.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 284



Where in 1991 we found 'no direct evidence that the Vatican profited from the property stolen from the Nazis' victims, in 1997 we find that on the balance of probabilities, and taking into account the additional evidence that has since emerged, there was no other reason than profit for this enterprise.
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...the bulk of the stolen Nazi money was laundered from Switzerland through the one bank that can never be audited. The trail of Nazi money leads to the one financial institution with total diplomatic immunity: The Vatican Bank
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 288-289



The Nazi looting of the wealth of nations was one of the most documented crimes in history. National treasuries were seized, art-works stolen; tens of billions of dollars' worth of gems and currency vanished forever. But Half a century later, we are only beginning to ask the crucial question: Where did all that money go?
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The current generation of Zurich bankers is not alone in knowing the key role played by the Vatican in laundering the Nazis' money. Many others in the world of international finance in the late 1990's also understand how these events in the early decades of this century connect directly to the Holy See and the Nazis' stolen treasure.
"Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 289-290



posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 05:34 AM
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Following the $26 million cash settlement with Mussolini over disputed lands in 1929, The Vatican invested nearly all the proceeds in German industry, but at least one small investment was made in the Nazis as well. The following incident was reported by an eyewitness, Sister Pascalina, a nun who was the personal aid (and devout admirer) of the Papal Nuncio in Munich and the man who would become Pope Pius XII on the eve of World War II:

'Hitler came one night to the holy residence of Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli. All others in the household were asleep by then, expect Pascalina...Hitler told Pacelli that he was out to check the spread of aetheistic communism...It didn't come as a surprise to her, therefore, in light of Pacelli's hatred of the Reds, to see the prelate present Hitler with a large cache of Church money to aid the rising revolutionary and his small struggling band of anti-communists.'
source: Paul I. Murphy, 'La Popessa', Warner Books, New York, 1983, p.52


Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 294-295


Sounds like a pretty good return on investment (ROI) huh...in return get the stolen treasures of the world and its murdered victims..who cares I guess, as long as the Church is strong and it is properly representing the character of the one who gave it its power, throne and great authority, the dragon....it is to be expected


On 23 July 1997, The US National Archives faxed us a copy of a Top Secret document that had recently been declassified. It was a report from Emerson Bigelow, an intelligence officer of the Strategic Services Unit. The SSU was an interim spy organization that existed between the end of the Office of Strategic Services and the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency. The intelligence report was 'received from a reliable source in Italy' and was forwarded to the US Treasury Department on 21 October 1946.

In chapter six of this book we set out the detailed evidence of Father Draganovic's role in smuggling large amounts of the Ustashi's plundered treasure and gold to safety in Rome. The Bigelow report independently demonstrated the Vatican's involvement in smuggling Nazi gold out of Switzerland to the safety of the Vatican Bank...

...According to Bigelow's separate sources, a large portion of Nazi gold stolen by Ante Pavelic and his fellow Croatian war criminals had, indeed, ended up in the Vatican Bank:
The Ustascha organization (a Croatian fascist organization, headed by Ante Pavelic) removed funds from Jugoslavia estimated to total 350 million Swiss francs. The funds were largely in the form of gold coins.

Of the funds brought from the former Independent Croat State where Jews and Serbs [orthodox Christians] were plundered to support the Ustascha [Catholic Action] organization in exile, an estimated 150 million Swiss Francs were impounded by British authorities at the Austro-Swiss frontier; the balance of approximately 200 million Swiss Francs was originally held in the Vatican for safe-keeping. According to rumor, a considerable portion of this latter amount has been sent to Spain and Argentina through the Vatican "pipeline", but it is quite possible that this is merely a smoke-screen to cover the fact that the treasure remains in its original depository.


Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 297-298



Father Draganovic, the key Vatican organizer of the Ratlines and a major intelligence source inside the Vatican, later admitted that in 1945 400 kilos of Ustashi gold, worth millions of dollars, had been hidden in Austria, and he had personally moved 40 kilos to Rome concealed in two packing crates.

[Statement by Father Draganovic to Yugoslav authorities, 26 September 1967]

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18 months after the Bigelow report, US Army intelligence confirmed the existence of the Vatican-Swiss Bank connection. They reported that 2,400 kilos of gold and other valuables...still remained in the Vatican's secret accounts in Switzerland.

Unholy Trinity - The Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss Banks" by Mark Aarons and John Loftus (1998), p. 298


The Vatican power, built on the crushed skulls of the Orthodox Serbian Christian's and gassed Jews, and millions of dead





Soldier standing among the dead at the Jasenovac concentration camp (for those Christians who refused to convert to Catholicism under threat of death)

It should be pretty obvious to anyone of sound mind that the Vatican should be classed as a terrorist organization.
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posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by EricD
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Are you saying that the Church should not invest it's money?


Eric


When $26 million of Mussolini's money given to the Papacy went to German industry to build up their war machine and Hitler himself I would say probably not, unless you have no issue with the pay off from the 'investment' being stolen treasures from the dead victims of the Nazis World War.
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posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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What are your thoughts on the application to this with the Parable of Talents?


Eric



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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"...He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.1 Corinthians 6:2-3

So what measure do you believe we believe by. Do you build your faith on unicorns and dragons? You say we don't knoa everything. ..but do we not have that which is sufficient to save us and live by according to what he deemed uz important to know. If we have the word He has spoken and it is all we have then it is all we can be judged by. By your "interpretation" you would have us bound by things we cant see or prove because we don't know if they excist or not. That is exactly why for many years the Catholic church only held mass in Latin. They wanted no one to havea copy of the letters written by the Apostles to the congregation of the new "Spiritual Israel." Because thd "truth" was what they told you it was and you had no reference. No liberty. You lived in darkness. Remember Revelation saying for a time the "woman" would be in the wilderness (darkness) she came out when every common man could have the guidance of the Holy Spirit via the Apostles through their love letters to the new belivers of Jews and Gentiles. The lions had laid with lambs my friend. Our duty is to preserve the traditions and teachings of the first century. The gospel is not a living document. The gospel is for all meaning God is the same yesterday , today, & tomorrow. If in the beginning was the Word and the Word was God where do you find change? You find change in your heart as you meld your heart to the corner stone and forge your life to the teachings of the stone as a swordsmith forges the samurai blade using fire and hammer. Word & Spirit of truth who provides understanding. It is our duty to preserve for the next generation and so on. One degree off and before long we have strayed so much we are perverted and misusing funds and abusing power and brethren and their children.


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Did Jesus or the Apostles tell you that it's okay to use a computer? To access AboveTopSecret.com? No, of course not, so you're left with your interpretation of those things. Condemning anyone else, based on those interpretation, is completely irrational.


Seriously? This is not rational. Not applicable. Deep left field. I shouldn't even acknowledge this but I want you to do better.

I am not condemning.





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