reply to post by NOTurTypical
There are more ways to claim deity than to say specifically, I am God. One huge way in that Jewish culture is to claim to be the Great I AM,
the Name God gave to Moses. Jesus said He preexisted Moses as the Great I AM.
IF Jesus was the Father he would know it... and thus would claim to be "the Father" instead of worshiping himself... but he worshiped One that was
Greater then himself...
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
This IS a declaration of his diety, but not him saying I AM GOD...
On the other hand In john 10 you can see "the jews" making the claim that he said he "makes himself God"
And he stuffs their lies down their own throats...
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
So again we see.... he never claims to be God, and even questions those who say he did...
Through out the gospels you see SON OF GOD... he makes that claim specifically... others claimed it... His followers even asked him if he was the
son of God... The Christ...
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
He taught it in his ministry...
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall
Satan Called him "the son of God"
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their
hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Demons called him "the son of God'
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs,
exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
So my question is... why would he be deceptive?
IF he was God he would have claimed it outright as he did with his real title... but he knew better because Calling himself The ONE God would be a
lie against his own Father, the one HE worshiped.
Of course then we get into the trinity... but lets not honestly...
Lets stick to whats in the gospels here if you don't mind... as it is on topic
When we in this culture run the risk of missing something in that Hebrew culture, look to the Pharisees, they always bail us out.
Jesus was murdered for claiming to be God.
You're not seriously going to take the Pharisees word over Jesus are you?
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