Originally posted by ihavenoaccount
reply to post by Wonders
Well, that certainly would help, except for the fact that it doesn't. The definition of tolerance in the text you provided is more akin to
acceptance. It's a typical straw tactic against "political correctness" (e.g. not being a jerk when you say something), not employed by you but the
article. If we define tolerance as we have in my previous post (i.e. acknowledging freedom of choice and speech), then what is your problem with it?
I suppose you're right, in a sense. We do have freedom of choice, but those choices are not limitless and freedom of speech has it's limitations as
I think that people who are free should have standards and limitations, they're usually known as laws, statutes and commandments, and I don't think
that I'm the only one who thinks this obviously.
According to the bible, God's laws are eternal, His will is to be done on earth, as it is in heaven.
I'd like to share a few verses with you if you'll allow me.
2 Peter 2:19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they
will be blessed in what they do.
The law that gives freedom, is the law that sets people free from sin. The truth sets us free, Jesus came into the world to set people free from their
sins, and a consequence of being set free from sin is that one is free from the consequences of sin. Some people mistakenly think that legitimate
Christians are sinners who magically are free from the effects of their willingness to sin until death. The truth of the matter is that there is never
a cause to no effect. We either gather or scatter abroad. We are either a part of the solution or a part of the problem.
Regarding a believer's freedom: 1 Corinthians 10:23
“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is
Regarding an unbeliever's freedom: Jeremiah 34:17
“Therefore this is what the Lord says: You have not obeyed me; you have not proclaimed freedom to your own people. So I now proclaim ‘freedom’
for you, declares the Lord—‘freedom’ to fall by the sword, plague and famine. I will make you abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth.
Cause and effect. Now what do you think, should people only be made aware of the cause, with disregard to the effect, even go so far as to say that
the effect does not exist? There are people, on this site even, who seem to be seriously want to believe that reality is just an illusion, that
life's just like some videogame where you die and damn the consequences because there are no eternal consequences for losing a videogame.
When harmful effects come from cigarette addiction or drinking and driving or stealing or anyother abhorrent activity, are people horrible judgemental
fear-mongering control freaks for giving warning to folk who take on precarious undertakings?
Honestly I'm reminded of this verse when Jesus was addressing those who wished to become students of his:
Luke 14:28 "But don't begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if
there is enough money to finish it?
Even Jesus gave warning to his followers to look before they leap, he wouldn't have told people to follow through to the end if it was impossible for
his followers to be tempted to give up. Buildings usually are made with the help of blueprints, but if anyone doesn't have what it takes to build
according to the blueprints, those blueprints will still exist.
Matthew 11:16-19 "To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others: 'We played
wedding songs, and you didn't dance, so we played funeral songs, and you didn't mourn.' For John didn't spend his time eating and drinking, and
you say, 'He's possessed by a demon.'
The Son of Man, on the other hand, feasts and drinks, and you say, 'He's a glutton and a drunkard, and a friend of tax collectors and other
sinners!' But wisdom is shown to be right by its results."
John 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant doesn't know what his lord does. But I have called you friends, for everything that I
heard from my Father, I have made known to you.
Luke 5:31-32 Jesus answered them, "Healthy people don't need a doctor--sick people do. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to
Hopefully you can understand the gist of all this. Any more questions feel free to ask.