Richard Cassaro - Forbidden Ancient Wisdom Revealed, page 2

reply to post by LiveForever8

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If you can appreciate the relevance and importance of architecture in passing on knowledge then how come you are so against the idea you quoted from the OP

I did not say passing on knowledge but that it can indeed contain knowledge, but as a storage medium (a repository) for intentional archival of said knowledge it is a dumb preposition, especially with the premise that the final audience will be incapable of making head or tails out of it. That is also some of the dumbest proposition of some of the ancient aliens claims. Special architecture has only special meaning in the context of the culture that creates it, if the culture is lost so is the meaning of the building, if you look at all the claims made around the "content" of "special" building you will also note that this issue is a constant. You can't get culture from a architecture creation you can at best get some insulated items and extrapolations from that original culture but encoring the risk that you are in fact imprinting your own cultural bias on the object of study.

reply to post by Danbones

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Good post. But I have to take issue with one little point...

so much for the flat christian earth

The church has never taught the earth was flat. In fact, a flat earth was not a commonly held theory at anytime in our past that I can find. The bible itself says the earth is round.

Isaiah 40:22

It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

The word circle in that verse can also be translated globe if I remember correctly. You might also want to check this thread by Chadwickus: The Flat Earth Myth And maybe this one I authored: Did Generations of People Believe The Earth Was Flat?

Great thread. Consider this.

First, Carl Munck shows a direct relationship between the ancient sites across the world and Giza as a Zero Meridian point. He shows conclusively that ancient rulers were connected world wide and used a common Radian Mathematics formula related to base 10 and founded on PI. Why Radian Mathematics? Because this is a higher axiom than using PI alone. He shows this in the video.

Carl Munck Video

Next, we need a motive and we need to identify who these rulers were. Consider the points from my thread on the Freemasons: LINK

From the Virgin of the World Egyptian Document

"Then, having summoned to these splendid regions of ether the souls of every
grade, He said to them: "O souls, beautiful children of my breath and of my care, you
whom I have produced with my hands, in order to consecrate you to my universe, hear
my words as a law: – Quit not the place assigned to you by my will. The abode which
awaits you is heaven, with its galaxy of stars and its thrones of virtue. If you attempt
any transgression against my decree, I swear by my sacred breath, by that elixir of
which I formed you, and by my creative hands, that I will speedily forge for you chains
and cast you into punishment.""

Not only was mankind told not to touch the fruit of knowledge, but God told Angels not to move about from their assigned locations. Can we confirm this?

Jude 1

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

Can we confirm this again?

Enoch One

16.3 "You were in Heaven but its secrets had not yet been revealed to you;
and a worthless mystery you knew. This you made known to women, in
the hardness of your hearts. And through this mystery the women and the
men cause evil to increase on the Earth."
16.4 Say to them therefore: "You will not have peace."

Before the Genesis 6 fall of divine beings, Enoch reveals that they were introduced partially to the Mysteries. From here, we see fallen beings ruling the Earth. Connect this to the Watchers that were given 70 generations until judgment by Enoch. Enoch was take by God at 950 past Adam. See my thread that explains why the Mayans and others were keeping 5,125 year long count calendars. I go into detail there.

Long Count Calendars and Enoch's Judgment of 5040 years. What were they keeping track of for so long?

Lastly, what was the outcome of the Angels in the Virgin of the World Document?

"Forthwith, O my Son, proud of their work, they were not afraid to transgress the
Divine law, and, in spite of the prohibition, they receded from their appointed limits. Not
willing to remain longer in the same abode, they moved ceaselessly, and repose
seemed to them death."

Because of this, God locked them in darkness to walk the Earth. I believe that our leaders and the bloodlines they are connected to demonstrate what Moses said to his sons in the book of Jubilees.

And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth 26 He destroyed everything. 'And we were left, I and you, my sons, and everything that entered with us into the ark, and behold I see your works before me that ye do not walk in righteousness: for in the path of destruction ye have begun to walk, and ye are parting one from another, and are envious one of another, and (so it comes) that ye are not in harmony, my sons, each with his brother. 27 For I see, and behold the demons have begun (their) seductions against you and against your children and now I fear on your behalf, that after my death ye will shed the blood of men upon the earth, 28 and that ye, too, will be destroyed from the face of the earth.

They have been seduced. Like you say, it's a religion. It is based on the Mysteries Angles were taught before the fall in Genesis 6. The builders are the proxy.

reply to post by Panic2k11

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Originally posted by Panic2k11
I did not say passing on knowledge but that it can indeed contain knowledge, but as a storage medium (a repository) for intentional archival of said knowledge it is a dumb preposition, especially with the premise that the final audience will be incapable of making head or tails out of it.

But why is it dumb? These building have been here long before you and I and they will be here for a long time afterwards. If you are going to encode any sort of knowledge or truth in anything encoding it in these monumental structures would be a great way to do it. I mean, who is going to knock down Chartres Cathedral?

As for being incapable of interpreting the encoding, well of course there are ways and means of doing so. I'm sure there are people on this planet who know full well the importance of these monuments, just because every Tom, Dick and Harry don't know, doesn't mean nobody knows. The whole point is to keep it hidden from those uninitiated. It is merely a piece of the puzzle.

After all, what good is the key without the lock?

Originally posted by Panic2k11
Special architecture has only special meaning in the context of the culture that creates it, if the culture is lost so is the meaning of the building, if you look at all the claims made around the "content" of "special" building you will also note that this issue is a constant.

And if the culture is not lost? If the culture thrives still?

Originally posted by Panic2k11
You can't get culture from a architecture creation you can at best get some insulated items and extrapolations from that original culture but encoring the risk that you are in fact imprinting your own cultural bias on the object of study.

Always a valid point, I agree. Which is why understanding the history of these cultures is paramount to understanding their potential hidden meanings

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by LiveForever8

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Cool thread. Hopefully some of our masonic members will show up to help shed some light on these patterns.

P.s Hadn't seen a vid with 'Requim for a Dream' for ages. I remember when every alternative vid had it for the soundtrack. Gotta love it.

edit on 27-1-2013 by Wide-Eyes because: (no reason given)

Sure, I can give some information on the number 3 without going into any of our teachings...

Lets see...

There are three degrees of Masonry.

We have three common officers that must be in a lodge. The Worshipful Master, the Senior Warden, and the Junior Warden. You can not have a regular lodge without these three officers.

There are three lights surrounding the altar in every masonic temple.

There are Three Greater Lights and Three Lesser Lights.

There are three tenets of Freemasonry.

We have three moral pillars.

I'm trying to think of anything else with the number 3 involved, but I think this is a pretty complete list of things that are available to be discussed.

So yes, the number 3 is important to us, for many reasons we can't elaborate on.

You know I always find it weird. For all the curiosity and mystery that seems to surround the Masons with some people, there is a really easy way to gain some insight into us...

Go To A Lodge! Heh...

But I guess seeing us eating dinner with our families, brothers, friends, and strangers and not hailing Satan would take all the intrigue out of it.

Anywho, now I'm rambling...

So Mote It Be, brothers.

Edit: Had to remove something.

reply to post by Klassified

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nice post
I think the "circle of the earth" refers to its ORBIT and it is drawn from older sources, most likely the book of Enoch..there is a real nice description of orbits hiddin in that docco

My reference to flat christian earth is in reference to the european beliefs of the middle ages that one could fall off the earth if one sailed far enough, which we were taught was the belief by the nuns in history class back in the catholic school I attended as a child.
The christians ( well the church that monopolized the general schooling )of the day totally hid the use of the celtic cross behind Its usurpation as a christian symbol where "kneeling at the foot of the cross" actually stems from what one had to do to use the celtic cross to take a "baring" on "the bear" or north star/ dipper constalation

reply to post by LiveForever8

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I too read about Fulcanelli a few years ago, which led me to the work of Schwaller de Lubicz, more specifically his study of the Temple at Luxor. He's a little hard going, much in the way of equations, but if you can sweat your way through that, his premise and conclusions make perfect sense. Demonstrably so. From that point, you can then appreciate the development of mathematics and physics in the Greek world, and subsequently the influence that that had upon Vitruvius, which eventually fed through to modern speculative Freemasonry. However, above and beyond that, the continuity of the working craft demonstrates the same fundamental principles of mathematics, and more directly geometry, which is demonstrated in architecture throughout the globe. And why shouldn't it be? Mathematical principles are not just a globally understood language, but a universal one, reflective of the micro to the macro, and therefore, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why every culture around the world came up with similar structures. What would be interesting is if they had not.

It was kept hidden, because as long as the masses remain ignorant, the impact of the application of such knowledge held power. But it has now thankfully passed from the esoteric into the exoteric, though in my opinion, it is no less sacred.

Of course, Cassaro wouldn't make as much money if he told you that...

reply to post by LiveForever8

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Well dumb in relation to the idea of preservation of knowledge, there are other examples of monuments that preserve knowledge for example the Georgia Guidestones/Rosicrucian monument does a better job at it. If you hide information you are not preserving it...

who is going to knock down Chartres Cathedral

Well, Hitler commanded for the destruction of Paris, today not even the great pyramids would survive an atomic blast...

Have you seen the studies regarding the elaboration of warnings concerning nuclear waste sites ?

I'm sure there are people on this planet who know full well the importance of these monuments, just because every Tom, Dick and Harry don't know, doesn't mean nobody knows.

So you agree that the preservation idea is idiotic ?

And if the culture is not lost? If the culture thrives still?

Well then it depends on the mentality, I do not believe that special hidden meanings are hidden. I would agree that cultural elements of the age the monuments were created will certainly be embedded in their creations, but not as messages for future generations (unless it is indeed a monument specifically constructed for that purpose, that is, the function is clearly obvious ans singular).

Which is why understanding the history of these cultures is paramount to understanding their potential hidden meanings

That is why I do not agree that there is an intentional hidden meaning that looking at structures and constructs like that is simply complicating the obvious.

reply to post by LiveForever8

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A very provoking post, very interesting linking up the pyramids and the number 3. It does seem to be important to many religions and organisations.

reply to post by Trueman

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I covered some of his highlights in my 'Triptych Doorway' thread in my signature...

I think a few others have covered his material a couple of times, and from what I have seen once, is allegedly a Freemason...I have neither been able to confirm or deny this, but he does list many citations on his articles/blogs, on his website...Many of which I have verified myself...So he's not your average 'new-ager' with no verifiable evidence..

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

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It was kept hidden, because as long as the masses remain ignorant, the impact of the application of such knowledge held power. But it has now thankfully passed from the esoteric into the exoteric, though in my opinion, it is no less sacred.

It was never hidden, it was always there but kept away from the populations to effect salvation. Jesus IS King of Kings and Lord of Lords. It was the ancient man made religion, a perversion of truth and love, which was responsible for the destruction of the ungodly in the last world. The fact that it is swamping our lands, indoctrinating the lay and unsuspecting masses of the atheistic grand kids of Christian grandparents should raise a red flag, but it doesn't because so many have bought the occult lies that scriptire is not the words of God and that Jesus Christ is the figment of imaginations.
The fact that it is swarming our lands, and in our time, only proves the prophecies of God, written so that His children understand. When the Freemasons produce the very "bible" of this generation (tv, film and media), it is no coincidence that people are in awe of this ancient world. They look in awe and wonder at something they were taught to admire instead of recognising it for what it truly was - the detestable religion whereby man worshipped man as gods.

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. Revelation.13:8

The only "secret" that Freemasonry and these secret societies hold is that they are of the same ilk that were destroyed long ago. They are the modern day equivalent of the teachers and leaders in Judea which swayed the crowds to call for the death of Jesus and to release the murderer, robber and insurrectionist.

There is another video out that addresses some of this subject that some here might find interesting:

It may occur to some that just like it was established that Ancient Peruvians sailed on Basal-wood rafts to the Polynesian Islands and are their forefathers, mankind has traveled all over this planet and carried their knowledge with them.

reply to post by Klassified

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Ok, totally off topic, I think, but that vid of the final scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" w/ the warehouse, well ...look at the credits... they're for "The Empire Strikes Back" I think, as Luke, Leah and Lando were from Star Wars... weird mash up, but oh well.

Great topic by the way and endlessly fascinating.

I'd like the Cliff notes as to the content of the Secret Knowledge... not to say I haven't read hundreds of versions, but they all seem rather lacking in the sort of information that would keep generations devoting their lives to pass down in secret organizations, but then again, wearing ornate, silly hats IS fun.

reply to post by LiveForever8

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Thanks for posting this here on ATS. I too, have never heard of this guy but I'll be checking out his material.

F&S, Great thread!

reply to post by WhoKnows100

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Oh, and I've met more than a few masons and they hardly seem the sort to sacrifice virgins to satan (unless they've had a few on an empty stomach, that is). I know the usual dogma is that they aren't high enough on the hierarchy to really KNOW what's going down, however, if you really give that a good think, what's the use of an army or organization when the individual soldiers will balk at any acts they see as nasty?

It seems as if that whole line of "reasoning" stems from religious dogmatists who view any freethinkers with bloody suspicion, and in that respect, with people being burned for intellectual speculation left and right, a secret group of progressive free thinkers seems logical.

Heck, I'd join them back in the day of theocracy. So I believe that the masons are, at the core, a group of benevolent idealist utopians, and more power to them.

As far as sinister, controlling fascists forcing their ideals down everyone's throat while hiding in plain sight while worshiping a dark deity of personal power, then I'd suggest looking for steeples and the buildings they sprout from.

Just sayin'. And I hope Fulcanelli was just a bored savant because of his hints regarding cyclical cataclysm... bummer.

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