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BTW OP: The first picture in your OP isn't Jesus either... In my opinion, Jesus would have had short hair due to Jewish tradition, but the long hair is a cemented part of symbolism that is apparent in all paintings and portraits of Jesus.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by adjensen
Well, calling me crazy won't change the truth. This old man lives like a king.
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- When he was elected last April, Pope Benedict XVI inherited the papal apartment on the top floor of the Apostolic Palace, but it wasn't until Christmas that the pope could really call it home.
The apartment, about 10 rooms in all, underwent a three-month renovation this fall. Electrical wiring was replaced, new pipes were installed, the kitchen was refurbished and a custom-fitted private library was put in place.
It was "Extreme Makeover: Vatican Edition." And while the pope didn't whoop or jump up and down at the unveiling, he made it clear he was pleased with the results.
"I can only admire the things you've done, like these beautiful floors," he told the more than 200 architects, engineers and workers involved in the remodeling project.
www.catholicnews.com...
If you pay attention, I'm using catholic sources.
He's not calling you crazy, Adjenson was directing his insults at me, as he usually does when interacting with me. And it's usually the same insults that have something to do with my supposed lower intelligence.
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
BTW OP: The first picture in your OP isn't Jesus either... In my opinion, Jesus would have had short hair due to Jewish tradition, but the long hair is a cemented part of symbolism that is apparent in all paintings and portraits of Jesus.
Actually, that is a representation of Jesus resurrected, you can see the tomb behind him.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP!
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
SOMETHING DOESN'T ADD UP!
Where did most of that artwork come from? It was commissioned by the church (meaning that it wouldn't exist in the first place, short of the church paying someone to make it) or it was donated by someone, who probably wouldn't be keen on seeing it go into the hands of a private collector and essentially vanish from view.
Most church assets are in real estate, and even with their financial shortfalls, they can't really sell off a bunch of churches to pay the bills and feed the poor -- there's that "donated to be a church" bit, as well as the lack of a market for giant churches.
Meanwhile, in fiscal year 2008, Catholic Charities USA, whose motto is "Working to Reduce Poverty in America", spent $3.42 billion (with a "B") on charitable services.
Yeah, what doesn't add up is people who whine about the Pope having orange trees, while ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church is already one of the largest charitable organizations fighting poverty in the world.
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by windword
What wings?
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
BTW OP: The first picture in your OP isn't Jesus either... In my opinion, Jesus would have had short hair due to Jewish tradition, but the long hair is a cemented part of symbolism that is apparent in all paintings and portraits of Jesus.
Actually, that is a representation of Jesus resurrected, you can see the tomb behind him.
Wait, so I dont understand, help clear this up for me: Because Jesus was resurrected, long locks of brown hair were grown? It's a joke and a serious question to clarify what you are saying.
Originally posted by Trueman
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
BTW OP: The first picture in your OP isn't Jesus either... In my opinion, Jesus would have had short hair due to Jewish tradition, but the long hair is a cemented part of symbolism that is apparent in all paintings and portraits of Jesus.
Actually, that is a representation of Jesus resurrected, you can see the tomb behind him.
Wait, so I dont understand, help clear this up for me: Because Jesus was resurrected, long locks of brown hair were grown? It's a joke and a serious question to clarify what you are saying.
The image was used as an example of the clothes he wears, hair and other details are an artistic expression.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
Yeah, whatever, haters gotta hate, I understand that.
Let's all blame the Pope, his clothes for Mass and the artwork that the Vatican has collected, paid for and preserved for 2000 years (and shares with the public) for the world's ills, even though his church is demonstrably one of the largest groups of people that's actually doing something about it.
How much charity did you and your church do in 2008? If it's anything like mine, not much -- we had a couple of dinners for the homeless, spent maybe $500 and did some fundraisers. Woo-hoo, go us.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
Yeah, whatever, haters gotta hate, I understand that.
Let's all blame the Pope, his clothes for Mass and the artwork that the Vatican has collected, paid for and preserved for 2000 years (and shares with the public) for the world's ills, even though his church is demonstrably one of the largest groups of people that's actually doing something about it.
How much charity did you and your church do in 2008? If it's anything like mine, not much -- we had a couple of dinners for the homeless, spent maybe $500 and did some fundraisers. Woo-hoo, go us.
Yeah, whatever, haters gotta hate, I understand that.
Let's all blame the Pope, his clothes for Mass and the artwork that the Vatican has collected, paid for and preserved for 2000 years (and shares with the public) for the world's ills, even though his church is demonstrably one of the largest groups of people that's actually doing something about it.
How much charity did you and your church do in 2008? If it's anything like mine, not much -- we had a couple of dinners for the homeless, spent maybe $500 and did some fundraisers. Woo-hoo, go us.
According to Vatican correspondent John L. Allen Jr. in his book All the Pope's Men, one reason that the Vatican doesn't sell off such treasures is that the Vatican doesn't believe that the treasures are the Vatican's to sell. They are considered the patrimony of mankind, entrusted to the Vatican for safekeeping, and cannot be sold or borrowed against. Indeed, the Vatican values them at one euro each for purposes of internal bookkeeping and spends a great deal of money to preserve the treasures for future generations.
If such treasures were sold and the money given to the poor, that money would soon be gone and mankind would be culturally impoverished by the loss of such artifacts into private hands. Besides, it is not offensive to religious sensibilities for a Church to maintain such beautiful treasures for the glory of God. If the Temple in Jerusalem could be richly ordained in order to glorify God and to inspire human worship, the universal Church of God can be richly ordained for the same purposes.
Those revenues are less than those for the city of Tacoma, Washington
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Holy See sustained its largest budget deficit of the past decade in 2011 as a result of global financial trends, the Vatican said July 5. But Vatican City State, which includes the income-generating Vatican Museums and Vatican post office, ended 2011 with a surplus of 21.8 million euros ($27 million).
The budget of the Holy See, which includes the offices of the Roman Curia and its communications outlets such as Vatican Radio, recorded a deficit of 14.9 million euros ($18.4 million) at the end of 2011. It was the largest budget deficit recorded in the past decade and reversed the 2010 surplus of 9.8 million euros ($12 million).
Total expenditures for the Holy See in 2011 were 263.7 million euros ($326.4 million) with 248.8 million euros ($308 million) in revenues.
"This old man has nothing to do with Jesus"
"Then the Lord took me to a place where there was a very well-known man. Before now, I used to live as an ignorant young christian. I used to think that any person that died would go to Heaven; that those who celebrated mass would also go to heaven, but I was wrong. When Pope John Paul II died, my friends and relatives would tell me that he had gone to heaven. All the news on TV and other media would say: “Pope John Paul II has died, may his soul rest in peace. He is now rejoicing with the Lord and his angels in heaven” and I believed all of it.
But I was only fooling myself, because I saw him in Hell, being tormented by flames. I looked at his face and recognized him. The Lord said to me, “Look, daughter, that man that you see there, is Pope John Paul II. He is here in this place being tormented because he did not repent.”
But I asked, “Lord, why is he here? He used to preach at church.” Jesus replied: “Daughter, no fornicator, no idolater, no one who is greedy and no liar will inherit My Kingdom.” (Ephesians 5:5). I replied, “Yes, I know that is true, but I would like to know why he is here, because he used to preach to multitudes of people!”
And Jesus responded, “Yes, daughter, he may have said many things, but he would never speak the truth as it is. He never said the truth. Although he knew the truth, he preferred money over preaching about salvation. He never told the truth; he would not say that hell is real and that heaven also exists. Daughter, now he is here in this place.”
Pope John Paul II in Hell
YouTube - Pope John Paul II is in Hell
actually want to keep it simple.
Originally posted by charles1952
How does your post have anything to do with the topic, which is Pope B16? I'll try to answer if it connects to this thread.
Matthew 23:9-12
But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
1 Corinthians 4:14
I am writing this not to shame you but to warn you as my dear children. Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.