Originally posted by jimmiec
America and the UK are apples and oranges. There is no way to compare the two. You gave up your guns and your politicians run over you. They gave you entitlements thinking that would keep everyone happy, they could not be sustained. Now you have no power to change your corrupt government if you needed to.

Your politicians run all over you guys as well . Don't kid yourself !!!!!!!!!!! Entitlement ??? Food stamps anyone ..

If you tried to take down the govt with your guns - you would last 5 mins and the US army would come down on you like a tonne of bricks, you would have no chance.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by jimmiec
America and the UK are apples and oranges. There is no way to compare the two. You gave up your guns and your politicians run over you. They gave you entitlements thinking that would keep everyone happy, they could not be sustained. Now you have no power to change your corrupt government if you needed to.

Your politicians run all over you guys as well . Don't kid yourself !!!!!!!!!!! Entitlement ??? Food stamps anyone ..

If you tried to take down the govt with your guns - you would last 5 mins and the US army would come down on you like a tonne of bricks, you would have no chance.

edit on 26-1-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)

Right so giving up the little defense you have is the solution

Sorry we don't want to just bend over and take it like England.

back on topic please folks, please remember that we have posters from the states who need to talk about patriotism, blood debts and not overthrowing the tyrannical government they whine all over ATS about....

Take a 100 Brits and drop them off in the worst part of Detroit after dark. I'd be willing to bet half of them don't make it out.

Originally posted by skalla
back on topic please folks, please remember that we have posters from the states who need to talk about patriotism, blood debts and not overthrowing the tyrannical government they whine all over ATS about....

Haha, true. Imagine how scared a gun carrying US citizen would be walking British streets unarmed

Originally posted by skalla
back on topic please folks, please remember that we have posters from the states who need to talk about patriotism, blood debts and not overthrowing the tyrannical government they whine all over ATS about....

Oh the Irony.

What a post from someone with such a signature.

Funny though because owning a firearm doesn't breach upon anyone's freedom.

It's a preemptive measure to defend against neighboring and abroad.

So making sly comments like that actually goes against your definition of freedom.

Originally posted by JrDavis

Originally posted by skalla
back on topic please folks, please remember that we have posters from the states who need to talk about patriotism, blood debts and not overthrowing the tyrannical government they whine all over ATS about....

Oh the Irony.

What a post from someone with such a signature.

Funny though because owning a firearm doesn't breach upon anyone's freedom.

It's a preemptive measure to defend against neighboring and abroad.

So making sly comments like that actually goes again your definition of freedom.

Disparaging the responsible gun owners is all about sly remarks. There's really no other way to go about it. We just have to take it with a grain of salt, and consider the source.

Originally posted by JrDavis
Right so giving up the little defense you have is the solution

Sorry we don't want to just bend over and take it like England.

I don't care what you do with your guns but please stop spreading disinfo that ' England bent over to take it'

You can delude yourself all you like - but there 'aint no way your guns will be protection from a govt that is in control of the US military. Your guns will be like a fly hitting a windscreen when the car is travelling at 50 mph - please don't kid yourself.

Plus your politicians - 'do you over '- just like the British ones ' do us over' , maybe worse.

So don't claim that guns have somehow kept you a 'free' nation - that is not true.

I am not ant guns just anti the rhetoric that makes deluded claims.

Originally posted by wantsome
Take a 100 Brits and drop them off in the worst part of Detroit after dark. I'd be willing to bet half of them don't make it out.

and I am willing to bet that repeat the same with 100 average Americans, that half would not make it out ..

Get over yourself please...

Originally posted by HelenConway
You can delude yourself all you like - but there 'aint no way your guns will be protection from a govt that is in control of the US military. Your guns will be like a fly hitting a windscreen when the car is travelling at 50 mph - please don't kid yourself.

True, it's pitifully funny to think they actually believe they could overcome their military if ordered to attack citizens. Remember guys, the troops will have been previously instructed that you are terrorists or whatever so they will shoot you, and with many more rounds than you have.

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by JrDavis
Right so giving up the little defense you have is the solution

Sorry we don't want to just bend over and take it like England.

I don't care what you do with your guns but please stop spreading disinfo that ' England bent over to take it'

You can delude yourself all you like - but there 'aint no way your guns will be protection from a govt that is in control of the US military. Your guns will be like a fly hitting a windscreen when the car is travelling at 50 mph - please don't kid yourself.

Plus your politicians - 'do you over '- just like the British ones ' do us over' , maybe worse.

So don't claim that guns have somehow kept you a 'free' nation - that is not true.

I am not ant guns just anti the rhetoric that makes deluded claims.

When did I say guns kept us a "Free" nation? There is far more issues than guns my friend. I just so happened to see a thread with SnF's of someone saying they don't need guns because they can tackle armed robbers and cause them to ___ ____ -----.

Notice how I left that blank because we don't know what the guy died from yet. So that you can' start a debate on that.

So just to make things clear. Brits don't need guns because they can defend with physical restraint?

Ah okay I get it not.

So your theory is Physical Restraint > Right to defend with a firearm responsibly.


Makes sense

Originally posted by wantsome
Take a 100 Brits and drop them off in the worst part of Detroit after dark. I'd be willing to bet half of them don't make it out.

You have really got no idea, have you.

One British kiss and the little men, little men, I said, Little Men, who need guns would be floored.

Lmao, and I'm not even from England...

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by wantsome
Take a 100 Brits and drop them off in the worst part of Detroit after dark. I'd be willing to bet half of them don't make it out.

and I am willing to bet that repeat the same with 100 average Americans, that half would not make it out ..

Get over yourself please...

Yeah do you know why they wouldn't make it out?

It seems you are missing the whole point and you are defending "Brits" in a thread in which the OP was showing that Brits do not need firearms because they can defend using physical force.

And yet you take it personally when someone says "Throw them into our environment and see if they make it out alive"

Truth is, parts of certain states have guns.

Illegally or legally.

And there is evil in the world that plans to use these weapons for bad not good (Unless you want to debate that)

Much like our Governments.

And whether it be Americans or Brits that get dropped in parts of Detroit one thing is certain.

You will want/need a firearm to defend you.

Originally posted by JrDavis

Originally posted by skalla
back on topic please folks, please remember that we have posters from the states who need to talk about patriotism, blood debts and not overthrowing the tyrannical government they whine all over ATS about....

Oh the Irony.

What a post from someone with such a signature.

Funny though because owning a firearm doesn't breach upon anyone's freedom.

It's a preemptive measure to defend against neighboring and abroad.

So making sly comments like that actually goes against your definition of freedom.

edit on 26-1-2013 by JrDavis because: (no reason given)

jeez, i'm surprised you dignified me with a reply

enjoying the "freedom" of having your schools turned into a tinpan ally or being so awash with guns that every has to have one? fair enough i suppose... frankly i enjoy the freedom of not expecting a gun to be used by a criminal, or some random individual who just cant take it anymore

points for not bringing your little book in to it though