Why us Brits don't need guns for protection

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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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Cool story bro, can you tell it to me again?




posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Why us Brits don't need guns for protection


Maybe it's because they implamented the following before the U.S.?




posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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Other agencies are reporting that the gun was a replica.

Being from Cut n Shoot, Texas, I must admit that I am not overly impressed by the robber, nor the "heros".

It seems there was no firearm involved.

Perhaps you should check your teapot for a tempest.



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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Oh Gawd. You cheeky brits. Trust me when I say, if I came at you with a gun, you would be dead. Period.
You can feel all tough and froggy, having no guns. But it ain't so. Perhaps that is why the quote on British cops is. "Stop, or I will say stop again"...



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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I'm glad that you don't think you need guns, but this post is your argument? I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything but, couldn't you come up with something better? It would be better to not join the discussion if your support for your side is a scenario where the people were lucky that the guy didn't shoot them.



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Fondue
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Oh Gawd. You cheeky brits. Trust me when I say, if I came at you with a gun, you would be dead. Period.
You can feel all tough and froggy, having no guns. But it ain't so. Perhaps that is why the quote on British cops is. "Stop, or I will say stop again"...


You try this in the UK and you will be blown away, our police are not a soft touch, read this and learn!




The Metropolitan Police Service first introduced 'Armed Response Vehicles' to the streets of London in 1991. These vehicles are crewed by uniformed officers who have been selected and trained to stabilise and control armed incidents, stop and search suspects, their vehicles and to search premises for armed suspects. These officers are the first 'Armed officers' to arrive on the scene and in serious cases can call for the support of specialist firearms teams. Each Armed Response Vehicle (ARV) is crewed by three officers in police uniform who patrol specific areas of London to ensure the fastest response. Each member of the crew has specific functions whilst responding to calls. The 'driver' is responsible for getting the crew to the scene in the fastest, safest way possible having regard to the public presence on the roads. The 'operator' is responsible for the many in-car communications and extracting the maximum amount of information prior to their arrival. The 'observer' in the rear of the vehicle has a London map book and provides the driver with a suitable route. When the officers first arrive they will make an immediate assessment. If an armed containment is deemed necessary to isolate an armed suspect from the public, then two of the crew will deploy leaving one to control the incident, calling for further armed support and liaising with the local senior police officer. All these officers are personally armed with 'Glock' 17 self-loading pistols and two of the officers have access to 'Heckler and Koch' MP5 carbines as shown here. Supervising officers from the firearms department also patrol in marked police vehicles and attend incidents as they develop. They take charge of the armed officers present and give the local senior officer tactical advice on how to resolve these incidents in the safest possible way. They carry additional equipment, which may have to be used particularly if force is needed to gain entry to premises. In addition to the 24-hour response provided by the ARV's the MPS also employs a number of Specialist Firearms Officers (SFOs) to provide an enhanced firearms capability to the MPS. These officers undergo advanced firearms training and are also available 24 hours a day. Their role includes dealing with all pre-planned operations as well as providing the MPS with a hostage-rescue capability. Specialist Firearms Officers can be deployed at any firearms incident in the MPS subject to the authority of a senior officer.


Try walking around with and point it at someone,and you will get shot, period!



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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First of all, addressing the story in the OP. Good on ya for stopping a crime, and I'm glad no innocents were injured. While I don't revel in any death, I have a hard time mustering pity for anyone who dies in the commission of a crime.

Now, is it possible that we can accept that different cultures and different nationalities think differently on different topics. I don't think the US is any better then the UK or any other nation. I'll reserve that judgment for the first nation to end crime, make sure all it's people are housed and fed, and respect it's citizens rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.(I know those words are most used by and in reference to americans but I think everybody everywhere should be entitled, it's not meant as a disrespect to any nationality). So can we please stop all the name calling and superiority talk. My nation is not better then your nation, your nation is not better then my nation, we're all just different. All this chestpuffery doesn't help anything. And while it seems some of you are making some disparaging comments all in good fun or in jest or tongue in cheek or sarcastically. But those concepts don't translate well in a text based medium and usually come across as though meant as stated and spur the other side to wrongly attack back. I understand that the issues being discussed are held to passionately by both sides of the argument, but can we please let cooler heads prevail and discuss the issues at hand without pettiness and a stance of superiority.

Respectfully,
T.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:39 AM
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Another one...are people using ATS as some kind of propaganda machine? One on hand there's these threads saying "here's why we need guns" and on the other hand we have threads like this one.

We're too intolerant as a species to unite, I've done a lot of thinking on this over the last few weeks and am currently at a crossroads. You see, as a brit I've never had the desire or need for a gun, and was vocal about that, but I can only speak for me and the culture in which I was raised. I was intolerant and self righteous regarding this issue.

I find it hilarious that we, the ATS community, who mostly pride ourselves on being objective, forward, free-thinkers, can't discuss an issue without it descending into an idiotic debate about tea and coffee...hurling childish insults at one another.

I'm sick to death of this nation, in the UK people care more about who wins big brother than who wins a general election - that is not an exaggeration, it's an insult to humankind. We also have a constitution, the magna carta and constitutional bill of right, most UK citizens don't know it exists, or think it's meaningless or simply don't care because hollyoaks is on tv.

I've tried to talk to people about these issues, they don't understand, or don't care...or think I'm a nutter, well soon find out who the nutter is because it's at breaking point...an economy built on debt is unsustainable, I work hard and have less and less every day, it's not as gradual as it once was, the changes are tangible and it's really making me angry, our country is in ruins and they want to let more immigrants in, yet the general populace is too drunk, drugged or entertained to notice or care.

That, and our gun laws - are the only things that seperate us from the US...because in the US they actually value their constitution and there's an element who want to preserve it...not here. Me? I want to march on parliament, I want our citizens to come together and take our country back...but I'd have a small army of about 5 people at my back if I did and we'd fail...people simply don't care. When the shtf...and IT WILL, most here will roll over and accept it without question.

I'm sick to death of it, all of it...and I have to add, if your american guns are for overthrowing a tyrannical government...what are you waiting for? They are already tyrranical, are they not? We know what's happening, we discuss it on a daily basis...sitting around waiting for some mass awakening that's NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! The time s now.

But most worrying of all, I think there will be a revolution, and the outcome will either be we lose and the tyrants consolidate their power, enslaving us all openly and we lose, or we win...we overthrow the tyrants only to continue fighting among ourselves, even here we can't discuss this stuff without it resorting to childish insanity.

I think there's a certain element out there who is deliberately trying to drive a wedge between us and divide us and make a revolution nigh-on impossible, or if we do revolt and win we'll only continue to fight among ourselves and re-establish the world we currently want to change, and it's damn sad, so can we stop it now?

I often think that if ATS we a live arena where people met to discuss these issues in the flesh that there would have been a massacre by now.

I'd just like to add, people tackling robbers etc is nothing new, this happens all the time, all over the world with various different outcomes, tackling armed robbers is not exclusive to the UK, dig around and you'll find similar stories that go way back. There have been a few threads like this on here recetly fom both sides...and it smacks of propaganda...I resent people using the ATS community to promote an agenda instead of for open-minded debate.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:51 AM
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Hey if a country doesn't need guns then more power to them, but we've got bigger threats than moronic old men wearing gas masks here in the United States. I wish that were the case though. Instead we have a gang problem that is ignored and responsible for nearly 75% of the murders in our country. Ruthless gangsters who couldn't possibly value your life any less. Yet, it's the good guys with guns that will be punished for it in the end. Once they realize that banning assault rifles doesn't do a thing they'll come for more guns. We have a gang problem in our country, not a gun problem. The majority of the remaining 25% are domestic and 90% of the domestic murders involve alcohol. We have gangsters murdering gangsters and alcoholics murdering their spouses.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by retirednature

Originally posted by bates
www.bbc.co.uk...

3. Good job, they beat a man to death. I don't know if you want an applause for that.


Not impressed


Actually from what i hear they DID NOT beat this man,they tackled him to the ground and held him there till the police arrived. The "pinning" him down probably resulted in him not being able to breath and this may be the cause of death, nowhere did it say they beat him to death, this is totally unfair and twisted saying this. Stick to the facts.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 06:41 AM
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Shut up no one wants to hear it.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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LOL!

I have never understood how the British...a bunch of overly polite and ridged people




HAHA this made me LOL, I take it you are not British because frankly my friend, this is not your average British person.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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reminded me of this video
www.documentingreality.com...



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by bates
www.bbc.co.uk...


A masked gunman has died after being pinned down and restrained by customers during an armed robbery at a bookmakers in Plymouth.

The man, in his 50s, entered the Ladbrokes branch in Crownhill Road at 18:45 GMT on Friday wearing a gas mask and holding a pistol.

Police arrested the man, who was already unconscious, but he died a short time later at the scene.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.


Had a look for this couldn't find it anywhere etc etc.

I thought it was necessary to share this with the ATS community given the recent gun obsession on here.

This is why us Brits are happy as we are, we're mad enough to just run at and tackle anyone who has a pop with a gun with nothing but our mad dog spirit.

Come at us with a gun and we'll laugh in your face and wrestle you down.

One thing I would add though is I feel for the man who has died here (his family anyway), I don't condone his attempted crime but no one should lose their life like that.

I dont really give a toss about this story to be honest, its not like its the first time an armed person has been taken down by unarmed people in our country( and yes, those people have carried PROPER guns) is it?
What concerns me more is the fact that somebody has decided to "boast" about how "well 'ard" we are with an utterly cretinous thread that has only served to, yet again, open up a non winable debate about guns, their control and their place in society.
If that 50 yr old Gunman had held a REAL gun, he may have used it. We would then be talking about two dead "have a go heros" as we like to say ( well in the UK press) in this country.
That would have been a great comfort to the deads family, eh!
If I were American, Id look at the opening post with incredulity at how utterly thick some people must be for going over the same old, same old....AGAIN!
Sorry poster, im English and I find your thread to be an utter embarrasment.
Well done you!



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by bates

Had a look for this couldn't find it anywhere etc etc.

I thought it was necessary to share this with the ATS community given the recent gun obsession on here.

This is why us Brits are happy as we are, we're mad enough to just run at and tackle anyone who has a pop with a gun with nothing but our mad dog spirit.

Come at us with a gun and we'll laugh in your face and wrestle you down.

One thing I would add though is I feel for the man who has died here (his family anyway), I don't condone his attempted crime but no one should lose their life like that.


As one who lives on the continent called North America (that's as close to an American that I want to call myself), and being familiar with the Constitution of the United States, it's pretty clear that the Second Amendment (which supposedly protects the God-given right to keep and bear arms) was written for the purpose of keeping the population in a position where, if the government were to turn criminal, the population could then, in turn, shoot the ingrates running said government. It is NOT meant to leave in the citizenry's hands the means to protect themselves from ordinary criminals.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by tjack

Originally posted by skalla
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again, it all comes down to not having a biscuit with ones tea... if i went to all that effort to get my best china out and found out that i had run out of custard creams, then by golly i would go down the footy and kick someone's head in.

why is this so hard to understand? you never had a good cuppa i guess, that coffee stuff is nowt in comparison.

this is off topic btw, apologies, but this is tea i'm talking about folks



I loves me some Earl of Grey...I get it from the tea spot dot com in Colorado and it's fantastic! Never had it with biscuits though, I'm a bit primitive in that regard I suppose.

This morning is all about Irish creme in coffee though, so I suppose that's why I'm all talkie talkie and off topic.
edit on 26-1-2013 by tjack because: (no reason given)


You don't want biscuits with Earl Grey, just doesn't work. Now, PG Tips or some other brand designed to be drank mixed with a little milk? That's when you get the bourbons out.

To be honest with you, the whole gun thing is getting a bit tired. On the whole, people in the UK don't want them but you can apply for a license to own one. Seems fair to me and most of the people on here based in the UK. In America the culture is different, neither is necessarilly wrong, just different - can't we just live with that?



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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Ok as one who lives in Australia who in their lifetime seen a democratically elected govt sacked by the queens representative in our country....(Prime Minister Whitlam 1975)
I give you this to ponder: you never did get your freedom


www.youtube.com... Basically 3 cities rule the world; City of London financial control,
Washington Military enforcers...Rome Spiritual control. It matters not who has guns when SHTF. The trigger will probably be: no more printing money for US, loose nuke attributed to "..." agencies/terrorist, stock market panic caused by someone very rich dumping causing contagion. Look at the LIBOR scandal, makes Madoffs millions look like small fry.
The point I am trying to make is that the US was never free and to a large extent is a subsidiary of the Queens control. Whatever trigger they use we are in for some dark nights ahead. The amount of paper debt around the planet will perhaps need 3 generations to repay...the 1929 Depression pales in insignificance. The tyranny is still around our necks and has always been around it. Ever wonder why the US had its American Century...it was not through sheer ingenuity or hard work. Its called the $US as the worlds reserve currency. Yes you lived off the backs off the the rest of the planets by exporting your inflation. The British got their standard of living by Colonialism and the Opium Wars with China. But the brits aussies and yanks are still slaves and the noose is tightening.
When the crash happens guns will not save you unless you thins that using the gus against your neighbour to steal their food is justifed and even then that will be a limited option. As the greatest theft of peoples assets retirement accounts future unfunded social security (bank bailouts anyone?) is currently underway ever wonder that maybe the bunkers are not for earthquakes/solar flares/asteroid hittting but perhaps to protect the rich inheritors of the planet.

vigilantcitizen.com...
The Georgia Guidestones is a mysterious monument on which are carved ten “commandments” for a “New Age of Reason”. The first commandment? Maintaining the world population under 500 million people

As to men with big balls well, where does one begin...Korea Vietnam, South America, Middle East - Afganistan Libya Iraq, still cant see how you've been played to sacrifice your sons and daughters for the Military machine.JFK did and look what happend to him...then it was LBJ straight into a full blown war against Vietnam.
There will be global civil unrest and then a new world order....hmmm

Dark days indeed



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by bates
www.bbc.co.uk...


A masked gunman has died after being pinned down and restrained by customers during an armed robbery at a bookmakers in Plymouth.

The man, in his 50s, entered the Ladbrokes branch in Crownhill Road at 18:45 GMT on Friday wearing a gas mask and holding a pistol.

Police arrested the man, who was already unconscious, but he died a short time later at the scene.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.


Had a look for this couldn't find it anywhere etc etc.

I thought it was necessary to share this with the ATS community given the recent gun obsession on here.

This is why us Brits are happy as we are, we're mad enough to just run at and tackle anyone who has a pop with a gun with nothing but our mad dog spirit.

Come at us with a gun and we'll laugh in your face and wrestle you down.

One thing I would add though is I feel for the man who has died here (his family anyway), I don't condone his attempted crime but no one should lose their life like that.


Well you brits are serfs, a little better than slaves to your Monarchy. We in America are technically free persons, Citizens of a Republic. That means your life experiences and the total sum of all your knowledge is utterly useless to us and unwanted. Frankly spoken, the only action your going to do is help water the seed of anti-Anglo(Anti-English sentiments) that I have worked to plant in many spheres of public discourse. So in that respect I thank you for making it easier for people to think about you and your country in a manner that I would like for them to think about you and your country.

Really, what are you red coats thinking? That we free Americans will say " you know what, there is something to being a serf like the british are". Do you honestly think Americans en mass will actually ever appreciate your efforts to convert them to your serf-like way of thinking?

All the actions of you and your countrymen and women, in this regard, will accomplish is making the possibility of war between the USA and the UK and distinct possibility. All your doing is inciting hatred from Americans to you and your Country.





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