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Topic started on 25-1-2013 @ 11:57 PM by smithjustinb

I am smithjustinb. I have always been this and the hardest thing that I could ever possibly do is become not me.

I can't fly like birds or run like cheetahs. I can't sing like sinatra and I can't swim like a fish. I can't walk on the sun nor can I see what the milky way looks like from a distance.

But u can play xbox, although I don't always win. I can be a maintenance technician, although I make mistakes. I can drive on the freeway to get to work. I can cook my food and store it in the refrigerator, and I can even buy it at Walmart.

I'm not free. I am only free within the limitations of my anatomy.

However there is a such thing as unity awareness. It is where you forget who and what you are and identify yourself as everything you see. This is real. You really change your identity and the whole universe becomes tangibly who and what you are. Then you are not free. You are freedom.

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reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 04:10 AM by arpgme

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I realized that freedom is just a perspective.

Being able to do what ever you want, may be freedom to one person - but to another it is slavery to primitive instinct.

Being absolutely controlled without any choices may seem like slavery to one person - but to another it is freedom of responsibility...

Freedom is a perspective.

To me, freedom is understanding that I don't actually know anything for certain, and that opens up the mind to any possibility that may happen, but some may say even this isn't freedom and it is just slavery to chaos/ignorance...

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 04:19 AM by Happy1

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Freedom is taking responsiblity for yourself and being moral..... Treat everyone else like you would want to be treated.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 04:40 AM by arpgme

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That is just another perspective.
In some people's eyes, responsibility is slavery.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 04:40 AM by arpgme

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That is just another perspective.
In some people's eyes, responsibility is slavery.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 06:31 PM by earthling42

Being an human earthling among other earthlings.
No identity, just being an earthling.
No doctrine, no time, the now is everything, al action takes place in the 'now'.
An empty mind, nothing to hold, nothing to fight for, so no conflict either, which is the seed out of which violence grows.
Freedom is nothing, there is always freedom from, which means we have divided ourself.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 06:47 PM by earthling42

Originally posted by Happy1
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Freedom is taking responsiblity for yourself and being moral..... Treat everyone else like you would want to be treated.

That is a rule, how can 'follow this rule' be freedom? it takes away your freedom.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 07:09 PM by earthling42

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There never is certainty, but there is knowing and understanding, so no need for chaos and ignorance, although the world is in darkness.
People tend to think knowledge is key to civilisation, but look into the world of today, and see that it merely divides and corrupts when it comes to religion, economics and politics.
Science is good knowledge, how to write and read, how to manufacture food and clothes, how to build homes, how to work with nature and grow our food.

Maybe we should leave 'dom' away, and just be free?

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 08:06 PM by smithjustinb

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Knowledge is the human reason for existence. Take a look around and you see that were the only beings who need large amounts of thorough knowledge. Other animals don't need it as much and they never will. So intelligence is not the epitome or purpose for life. Therefore, the world cannot be justly judged by it. We determine status according to knowledge so we think we are the most superior species on the planet, but by the universes standards, it seems to me that greatness isn't determined by how much you know, but by how well you can love and appreciate.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 09:13 PM by arpgme

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I agree with you in regard to knowledge, but what you said about love and appreciation doesn't seem to fit. Animals just do what they enjoy, they are not making "love" or "appreciation" a goal like humans. If they are angry they'll bark. They're not practicing unconditional anything - except honesty.

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reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 11:19 PM by smithjustinb

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Enjoyment is a form of love

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 11:58 PM by earthling42

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Science is practical knowledge, we use it in daily life, and yes we need that.
Knowledge as such isn't bad, and we build up on that practical knowledge.

But also there is the structure 'me' which consists of knowledge,
This knowledge is the great divider, and this knowledge is the past, always old and passed on to the future.
We teach our children, think ahead, have goals, want a better tomorrow.

You were asking about freedom,
The question than is, can we be free from the past, which is the 'me'
The i who thinks and identifies itself with a nationality, a religion, a political preference, a title, the i who strives for succes, who longs for power and position, to be rich and powerfull, to be someone.
We become what we are taught, a copy of the bible or quran, the culture we grow up in produces us, and we approach life with our traditional background.
We, like our parents, will also pass it on to our children, so the past becomes the future, maybe slightly modified but in essence the same.
No freedom, just a repitition of what was, the past, the old.
If we are unable to be free from that, we can only go on repeating and stay divided in our way of life.

To me the very essence of freedom means the emptying of our consciousness from its content.
Only when the old dies can something new be born.

Because we are divided we have to find ways to unite, to life together in harmony, which means negotiations for peace while conflict is at our feet.
In essence we are all just human beings, no more, no less, our divided state is brought about through knowledge, what we are taught, where and how we grow up.

Earthlings because to me humans are no different than other earthlings (animals) with wich we share this beautifull blue planet.

We lack intelligence, we don't know what love is, our love is mostly aimed and excluding the rest.
We kill for fun, for sports, for a trophee on the wall, or because we aern money with it, therefore we also drill deep into our mother, habitat damage, chopping of forrests, all for money.
And we kill eachother, muslim against christian, west against middle east, black against white, f*ck the poor, feed the rich, follow the leader, he knows, he is responsible, not i, i'm just a man in the street who loves his wife, until the moment this socalled love has vanished.

Could not sleep, its 7am now

reply posted on 28-1-2013 @ 03:22 AM by Happy1

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Without any kind of moral sense, we are animals.

As animals, we take what we need. period.

I believe that is what makes humans different than animals.

"knowledge" is only relative, without a moral sense.

reply posted on 28-1-2013 @ 06:53 AM by Nightaudit

Originally posted by smithjustinb
However there is a such thing as unity awareness. It is where you forget who and what you are and identify yourself as everything you see. This is real.
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No it´s not. What are you even trying to say here? Do you WANT to loose your sense of self completely? What would that feel like? This is not even pleasant in theory!

What is so wrong with being human anyway? Why are all of you crazy people so eager to get away from this planet/dimension/life/consciousness/whatever?

Shouldn´t the goal be to get the most out of what you have? Not constantly running after something you simply cannot get (4d/5d consciousness/your fancy awareness of everything/etc.).

Well, in any case. Don´t morph into the toilets consciousness before you take a dump is all I am saying. You do identify with everything you see, right?

Just my 2 cents.

reply posted on 28-1-2013 @ 06:37 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Nightaudit

Originally posted by smithjustinb
However there is a such thing as unity awareness. It is where you forget who and what you are and identify yourself as everything you see. This is real.
edit on 26-1-2013 by smithjustinb because: (no reason given)

No it´s not. What are you even trying to say here? Do you WANT to loose your sense of self completely? What would that feel like? This is not even pleasant in theory!

The sense of self does not become lost, it becomes magnified.

What is so wrong with being human anyway? Why are all of you crazy people so eager to get away from this planet/dimension/life/consciousness/whatever?

Because we are slaves. All we can do is what humans do. We were born into this limited existence without a choice in the matter. And then we have to play the part. If you can't see the oppression here, then maybe you don't need freedom.

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